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Is atheism just worship of the devil under different name?

devildavid said:
It only requires evidence. So far, all the evidence points to physical. What evidence is there that there is anything non-physical?
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Just another dodge...

Yes, your simplistic sentence> "Thoughts are physical" requires evidence.

Followed by another simplistic sentence. "So far, all the evidence points to physical."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evidence

evidence suggests serving as proof of the actuality or existence of something

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proof

proof : an act or process of showing that something is true

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/true

true 1 : in accordance with fact or reality

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/point to

Definition of point to

2 : to mention or refer to (something) as a way of supporting an argument or claim

3 : to show that something is true or probably true

All the evidence points to him as the murderer.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/probably

Definition of probably

: insofar as seems reasonably true, factual, or to be expected : without much doubt. "is probably happy" "it will probably rain"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/point

point (2) : b : the most important essential in a discussion or matter

missed the whole point of the joke

c : cogency

2 obsolete : physical condition

3 : an end or object to be achieved : purpose

did not see what point there was in continuing the discussion

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cogency

Definition of cogency

: the quality or state of being cogent

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cogent

Definition of cogent

1 a : appealing forcibly to the mind or reason : convincing

cogent evidence

b : pertinent, relevant

a cogent analysis

If, you are willing... Can you show me the scientific evidence concerning your idea/concept that... "Thoughts are physical". TIA

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Is his idea that "thoughts are physical" one of the answers science has already found?

Can you help him using science to answer that particular idea, that thoughts are actually physical? TIA

Roseann:)
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https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-process-of-thinking-happen-in-our-brains

From the article:


Thinking is still poorly understood, but involves interactions between signaling pathways that are carrying information about the world and neurons that are representing information in "working" (short term) memory. The neural circuits representing working memory seem to do so via sustained firing until they are deactivated.
 
devildavid said:
I didn't say my words made anything true. That's your hangup. The amount of words used to discuss nonsense does not change it from being nonsense.
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Yes you did. You may not have realized you did when you used the words "evidence points to the physical" in your post #1192. Read my post #1201.

Roseann:)
 
stevecanuck said:
https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-process-of-thinking-happen-in-our-brains

From the article:


Thinking is still poorly understood, but involves interactions between signaling pathways that are carrying information about the world and neurons that are representing information in "working" (short term) memory. The neural circuits representing working memory seem to do so via sustained firing until they are deactivated.
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Already read it. I agree, the subject is very complicated. That particular field of scientific study is still in it's infancy stage of research.

Do you think that I should just accept without question the idea/concept that "thoughts are physical"?

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Already read it. I agree, the subject is very complicated. That particular field of scientific study is still in it's infancy stage of research.

Do you think that I should just accept without question the idea/concept that "thoughts are physical"?

Roseann:)
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Why would they not be physical?
 
Angel said:
zyzygy said:
Why would they not be physical?
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Because they are different in kind.
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Direct your eyes at the following line:
बंदर क्या जाने अदरक का स्वाद

What is in your brain as your eyes scan the above?

Do you actually believe that somewhere in your brain is the following line:
बंदर क्या जाने अदरक का स्वाद

Of course not. In your brain is some neurochemical reaction to what your eyes see.

Now what if I inform you that this Hindi line means the following:
What does a monkey knows about the taste of ginger?

Is this line in your brain? No more than the Hindi line was.
Is the meaning of this line in your brain?
Again, no. Again there is in your brain only a neurochemical reaction to your understanding of the line expressing the meaning of the Hindi line.

But what does the meaning of the English line mean?
What does the line "What does a monkey knows about the taste of ginger?" mean?
Is that meaning in your brain?
Once again, all that is in your brain is a neurochemical event.

If I now inform you that the meaning of the English line translating the Hindi line is "casting pearls before swine,", where is that meaning?
In your brain is yet another neurochemical event. Nothing more.


A neurochemical event accompanies the meaning in your mind.
Brain and mind are different kinds of things.
 
CharisRose said:
Already read it. I agree, the subject is very complicated. That particular field of scientific study is still in it's infancy stage of research.

Do you think that I should just accept without question the idea/concept that "thoughts are physical"?

Roseann:)
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Close your eyes and feel where in your body your consciousness resides. You'll feel it right in the middle of your brain. No brain - no thought.
 

The brain as receiver of the mind's transmissions.
 
CharisRose said:
Yes you did. You may not have realized you did when you used the words "evidence points to the physical" in your post #1192. Read my post #1201.

Roseann:)
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That says that evidence points to something, not that words point to something. Stop being purposely obtuse.
 
devildavid said:
They are the same kind. The word mind does not mean something non physical.
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Now, that is just crazy...the mind is living...when it is dead, it is gone...the brain is a brain, dead or alive...:roll:
 
Elvira said:
Now, that is just crazy...the mind is living...when it is dead, it is gone...the brain is a brain, dead or alive...:roll:
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What you said is crazy. The brain is also living until it dies. Then it rots. There is not a mind that is separate from the brain. The incorrect use of the word mind is what causes all the confusion. Its just a term to describe the brain funtion we also call thinking.
 
devildavid said:
What you said is crazy. The brain is also living until it dies. Then it rots. There is not a mind that is separate from the brain. The incorrect use of the word mind is what causes all the confusion. Its just a term to describe the brain funtion we also call thinking.
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Which is exactly what I just said...:roll:
 
CharisRose said:
Actually, simplistic sentences do not make thoughts physical.

Roseann:)
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No, the simplistic sentences do not make the thoughts physical. The fact you need the biological processes of the brain to process the simplistic sentences makes the thoughts physical, or to be more precise, the thoughts are a result of a physical process.
 
devildavid said:
No. it isn't. You treated the mind as if it was separate from the brain. I did not because it is not.
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It is not separate nor physical but it does have to do with alive versus dead...when the brain is dead, there is no longer a mind...
 
stevecanuck said:
Close your eyes and feel where in your body your consciousness resides. You'll feel it right in the middle of your brain. No brain - no thought.
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That is not very scientific. However, there is plenty of phyiscal evidence that this is so. When someone summarily rejects any evidence offered, and claims 'simplistic', 'doesn't accept, and 'dodge'.. well, make your own evaluation.
 
Elvira said:
Now, that is just crazy...the mind is living...when it is dead, it is gone...the brain is a brain, dead or alive...:roll:
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ANd, do you have a point to make? The mind is a property of a biochemical processes in a living brain. Brain dead, no evidence that the mind is anything but dead.
 
RAMOSS said:
No, the simplistic sentences do not make the thoughts physical. The fact you need the biological processes of the brain to process the simplistic sentences makes the thoughts physical, or to be more precise, the thoughts are a result of a physical process.
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As fallacious an argument as any that you are always so ready to point out. Spinoza would be extremely disappointed with your performance in this post. Look to it.
 
Angel said:
As fallacious an argument as any that you are always so ready to point out. Spinoza would be extremely disappointed with your performance in this post. Look to it.
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You can't speak for Spinoza. Come to think of it, neither can Spinoza. Why is that? Whatever happened to Spinoza's mind?
 
Elvira said:
It is not separate nor physical but it does have to do with alive versus dead...when the brain is dead, there is no longer a mind...
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So we are in agreement, it appears. Amazing!
 
devildavid said:
You can't speak for Spinoza. Come to think of it, neither can Spinoza. Why is that? Whatever happened to Spinoza's mind?
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Spinoza didn't have a mind according to you. Indeed, according to you, you yourself don't have a mind. Why then should anyone pay any attention to what you have to say?
 
Errr no that's Satanism sweety :)

Atheism: the belief that God doesn't exist.
 
Angel said:
Spinoza didn't have a mind according to you. Indeed, according to you, you yourself don't have a mind. Why then should anyone pay any attention to what you have to say?
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Now you are finally getting it. The word mind just refers to the sum total activity of the brain and nervous system and is not a separate thing. Baby steps.
 
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