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Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

Elvira said:
So do some people...just sayin'...
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Maybe this sub-forum isn't for you. You may want to consider that. Obviously, you are not capable of having a reasonable philosophical discussion without falling into the trap of pushing dogmatic crap.
 
Elvira said:
Yep, that is exactly why, no matter how many times scriptures are explained to certain people, they just don't get it...it's like talking to a brick wall...in fact i think a brick wall would understand sooner...
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Hum. You do know that is one that Logicman will say about Christians that do not believe Jesus is God.
 
Logicman said:
Even if all denominations agreed on everything, you wouldn't accept it anyway, would you? So why do you ask?

Christ is the Risen Savior for the remission of sins, and those who believe in him will have eternal life. That's the main point most agree on.

And don't think the evolutionists all agree on everything either. Should we then ask how anyone can accept their words? So back at you.
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No, most don't agree that mere belief brings eternal life.
 
Logicman said:
I'll tell you what the Bible says about that:

"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them." - 1 Corinthians 2:14
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Translation: If you don't agree with my religious propaganda myth, it can only be that you don't understand it. I guess you don't understand other religious faiths and see them as foolish.
 
RAMOSS said:
Is that a true statement?? You claim what you know about God comes from scripture, but how do you know the following points

1) The your interpretation of Scripture is right
2) The what you think is Scripture is right.

You make claims.. but how can you back them up?

You can say 'This is what I believe', but you can not show objectively show that what you believe is true

When it comes to the sun, we can build instruments, and we have the sensory capacity for telling temperature.
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First you ask me to prove that God has a will for us without using scripture but now you want me to?
 
blarg said:
how your actions are then what ever god chose to have you choose so how are you not part of a completely mechanical set of actions?

how do you do something other then what the god knows you will do?
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Again, it's like the director with the time machine. He knows what will take place and see what the improv actors actions will lead them to. The director will in somw cases try to nudge you to go a different route but knows whether you'll take that route or not.
 
zyzygy said:
So all non-Christians are in trouble? Or do you just have to believe in a god or gods?
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Yes. All those who do not believe that Jesus is their Lord and Savior are in danger of eternal punishment.
 
Maccabee said:
Again, it's like the director with the time machine. He knows what will take place and see what the improv actors actions will lead them to. The director will in somw cases try to nudge you to go a different route but knows whether you'll take that route or not.
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only their no possible improve he made all the actors to inevitably act in one way and he knew what that way was before he made them and so chose to make some one who act a certain way over all others with every single one of them
 
blarg said:
it should introduce itself then other wise that sounds like something you made up
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That's not how he works.

i cant choose to belive in your god i cant find a compelling argument for its existence

plenty of wish fulfillment and a long history of god of he gaps

and manipulation bases on promises and threats

which are all very suspicious
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There is compelling evidence. For example scientists are theorizing that we are a computer simulation. If that be the case then the obvious follow up question is who made the simulation. Then there's the complexity of the universe and our DNA.
 
Maccabee said:
Yes. All those who do not believe that Jesus is their Lord and Savior are in danger of eternal punishment.
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that seems evil why do that?
 
blarg said:
only their no possible improve he made all the actors to inevitably act in one way and he knew what that way was before he made them and so chose to make some one who act a certain way over all others with every single one of them
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I can't understand your post.
 
Maccabee said:
That's not how he works.



There is compelling evidence. For example scientists are theorizing that we are a computer simulation. If that be the case then the obvious follow up question is who made the simulation. Then there's the complexity of the universe and our DNA.
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why not?

and thats not compelling to me at all if your solution to how complexity can exist is something more complex just happening to exist just because then that original complexity dosent need to be a god you could just say a universe able to make us as real or a simulation happened to exist just because and its just as good as saying god happens to exist this is what it wanted so poof here we are
 
blarg said:
that seems evil why do that?
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Because it's not him punishing us for not believing, but rather giving us the only option out of our failed state. The lifeguard didn't put you in the situation to drown, you did. He's just offering you the only route to live by grabbing onto the life preserver.
 
Maccabee said:
I can't understand your post.
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ill try again

only theirs no possible improv he made all the actors to inevitably act in one way and he knew what that way was before they weer born and so chose to make some one who act a certain way over all others with every single one of them
 
Maccabee said:
First you ask me to prove that God has a will for us without using scripture but now you want me to?
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Well, I want you to show what you claim is true is true. Can you show it?

Making all sorts of statements you can's show to be true seems to be par for the course.
 
Maccabee said:
Because it's not him punishing us for not believing, but rather giving us the only option out of our failed state. The lifeguard didn't put you in the situation to drown, you did. He's just offering you the only route to live by grabbing onto the life preserver.
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whys that the only option and why would you have a cut off followed by eternal punishment who have you hurt forever that you deserve that? and why would the god hide itself with the stakes so hi?

isnt this god supposed to be all powerful and god?

the life guard designed us to not be able to breath water created the water made us so we would love taking dips in it and could easily remove the water remove us from the water or make us immune to its effects in this case

at least if its an all powerful life guard if not you have some room to work with
 
blarg said:
why not?
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I believe this provides a good answer.

http://godevidence.com/2010/07/why-doesnt-god-show-himself/

and thats not compelling to me at all if your solution to how complexity can exist is something more complex just happening to exist just because then that original complexity dosent need to be a god you could just say a universe able to make us as real or a simulation happened to exist just because and its just as good as saying god happens to exist this is what it wanted so poof here we are
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I can't dictate what is compelling to you. If you don't think that's compelling then that's on you. There are other evidences gor a creator but that will derail the thread.
 
Maccabee said:
Because it's not him punishing us for not believing, but rather giving us the only option out of our failed state. The lifeguard didn't put you in the situation to drown, you did. He's just offering you the only route to live by grabbing onto the life preserver.
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Good analogy...
 
Maccabee said:
I believe this provides a good answer.

http://godevidence.com/2010/07/why-doesnt-god-show-himself/



I can't dictate what is compelling to you. If you don't think that's compelling then that's on you. There are other evidences gor a creator but that will derail the thread.
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Please feel free to start a thread. I have never come across any compelling evidence for the existence of a god. If you have any then I would be interested in seeing it.
 
Maccabee said:
I believe this provides a good answer.

http://godevidence.com/2010/07/why-doesnt-god-show-himself/



I can't dictate what is compelling to you. If you don't think that's compelling then that's on you. There are other evidences gor a creator but that will derail the thread.
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seem like some **** answers

we know god could make an avatar even if it could not fit itself into a physical shape well again if its all powerful

and knowing god exists would not force us to love it just give us an informed choice to do so or not

and if your going to say its obvious god exists any way all the more reasons not to bother hiding

the threats and promises dont help much either what sick ****er would demand you love it or die in any case let alone 1 wheir it wont tell you directly

its clear such a being loves itself and not us

i cant dictate what is compelling to me either so your statement that theirs compelling evidence for god is false unless you mean its just compelling for you and the like minded
 
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