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[W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

<alt>doxygen said:
You can't answer it because it exposes your morally and ethically absurd position?
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Nope. I choose not to answer your question. Believe me when i say this is not due to inability. It's due to unwillingness. And I am unwilling to answer your stupid non-question because it's a stupid non-question.

But I see that you think you are making some sort of a point. Cute.

Try thinking.
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Take your own advice.
 
Wan said:
Nope. I choose not to answer your question. Believe me when i say this is not due to inability. It's due to unwillingness. And I am unwilling to answer your stupid non-question because it's a stupid non-question.
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:lamo Sure.

Glad you are here on a 'discussion' forum. I'd be interested in your reply in order to further discussion.
 
Wan said:
Nope. I choose not to answer your question. Believe me when i say this is not due to inability. It's due to unwillingness. And I am unwilling to answer your stupid non-question because it's a stupid non-question.

But I see that you think you are making some sort of a point. Cute.



Take your own advice.
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You chose to fail.

You and Angel should fix your broken paradigm.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Really. Why?
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Because equivalence -- my thesis -- is attested by philosophy, psychology, biology, common sense, etc. Your thesis -- inequivalence -- is an ad hoc makeshift to defend a political view.
 
Angel said:
Because equivalence -- my thesis -- is attested by philosophy, psychology, biology, common sense, etc. Your thesis -- inequivalence -- is an ad hoc makeshift to defend a political view.
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And yet...you've sourced none of that...to support your arguments. At least not in so long that anyone can remember.

So you are still just posting BS...unless you can support the claim you just made above...if your 'thesis' is 'attested' by those disciplines...let's see your source material (specific to your arguments). We already showed the lack of foundation in your natural rights one, that just because there's an instinct for self-preservation means there is a right to life. That one is not correct based on 'your supporting statements.'
 
Lursa said:
And yet...you've sourced none of that...to support your arguments. At least not in so long that anyone can remember.

So you are still just posting BS...unless you can support the claim you just made above...if your 'thesis' is 'attested' by those disciplines...let's see your source material (specific to your arguments). We already showed the lack of foundation in your natural rights one, that just because there's an instinct for self-preservation means there is a right to life. That one is not correct based on 'your supporting statements.'
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You still haven't looked up the word "source," I see.
 
Angel said:
Have the shrill cries of the pro-abortion harpies so deafened us that we cannot hear the heinousness of this witticism manque?
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Harpies do have shill cries...
 
Angel said:
You still haven't looked up the word "source," I see.
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Dont need to. I know this is just another of your avoidances to not provide them.
 
code1211 said:
And yet that is EXACTLY what is happening in the cases in which a baby is killed to complete the abortion process and what was discussed by Governor Northam in the Radio interview that has been posted in this thread numerous times.
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No,it is not.

abortions past 24 weeks are extremely rare.

Late term abortions are extremely rare.

Asked why abortions would happen at a later stage of pregnancy, Dr. Jennifer Conti, a fellow with the advocacy group Physicians for Reproductive Health and co-host of The V Word podcast, said, "Those exceptionally rare cases that happen after 24 weeks are often because a fetus has a condition that cannot be treated and will never be able to survive -- regardless of the gestational age or trimester."
"It's this exact reason that it's nonsensical to legislate these cases: Nobody arrives at the decision to have an abortion after 24 weeks carelessly," Conti said. "Rather, it's the rare case of rapidly decompensating maternal heart disease or a delayed diagnosis of anencephaly, where the fetus forms without a complete brain or skull, that bring people to these decisions."
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Read in CNN Politics: Trump offers incendiary falsehood on abortion at Wisconsin rally
 
Lursa said:
Dont need to. I know this is just another of your avoidances to not provide them.
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And the word "non-sequitur" and the word "lie" and another, what was it, "group"? "Pestiferous frivolity"?
Getting you an OED for your birthday.
Make sure the cake is gluten-free.
 
minnie616 said:
As I said, Pennsylvania is totally at fault for no having inspections.

In fact all office buildings including Gosnell should have at been inspected for fire safety and building code violations so I don’t why the health inspectors were not tipped off that the clinic was filthy. His clinic should been closed years before it was.
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I don't know what the extent of the prohibition against inspection might have been. This prohibition may or may not have extended beyond the regulation of the removal and disposal of human tissue.

The intent seems to have been exclusively to avoid interfering with the provision of abortion services.

There seem to have been some unintended consequences.
 
code1211 said:
Measured as a percent of general social contact, any sort of murder with a knife or scissors is extremely rare.
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Late abortions are rarely ever murder now are they. Late abortions are usually done for some medical emergency or need.
 
Peter King said:
Late abortions are rarely ever murder now are they. Late abortions are usually done for some medical emergency or need.
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Are clinics like the mill operated by Kermit Gosnell routinely inspected to assure that they are complying with all of the reporting requirements that would feed into whatever data base on which your statement may rely?
 
code1211 said:
Are clinics like the mill operated by Kermit Gosnell routinely inspected to assure that they are complying with all of the reporting requirements that would feed into whatever data base on which your statement may rely?
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Not sure what mill you are talking about but Gosnell was an outlier, not the norm at all for abortion doctors, and yes, there is no indication that his crimes are well spread under any condition.

Personally I support allowing parents to not have a late abortion (other than to save the life of the mother) but allow birth to take place and then euthanize if wanted the child in case of severe birth defects with no chance of survival or in case of severely birth defect children who may have a small chance for a short survival but only with immense and inhumane pain. That would prevent any need for late term abortion for children with no chance of survival.
 
Angel said:
And the word "non-sequitur" and the word "lie" and another, what was it, "group"? "Pestiferous frivolity"?
Getting you an OED for your birthday.
Make sure the cake is gluten-free.
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Lursa said:
Dont need to. I know this is just another of your avoidances to not provide them.
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x100,000
 
Angel said:
Because equivalence -- my thesis -- is attested by philosophy, psychology, biology, common sense, etc. Your thesis -- inequivalence -- is an ad hoc makeshift to defend a political view.
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How about political/religious view.

You say life begins at conception. "Unborn Children" exist from that point on, according to you. Yet your concern starts post implantation and lasts until delivery. It's so moral and ethical that somehow rape and incest aren't worth mentioning. Born children don't get a thought. The billions upon billions of "unborns" lost prior to implantation (far more than are purposely aborted) aren't worth a thought. That's a simple religious-cum political view dressed up in philosophical terms.

Your concern is strictly anti-abortion, but made very strange graphing on the idea that a woman can abort if her life is threatened. Nothing about if she's raped by a mass murderer. Oh, well. It's simpler that way.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
How about political/religious view.
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Your view? Not clear what this responds to in my post.

<alt>doxygen said:
You say life begins at conception.
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Biology says this.

<alt>doxygen said:
"Unborn Children" exist from that point on, according to you. Yet your concern starts post implantation and lasts until delivery. It's so moral and ethical that somehow rape and incest aren't worth mentioning. Born children don't get a thought. The billions upon billions of "unborns" lost prior to implantation (far more than are purposely aborted) aren't worth a thought. That's a simple religious-cum political view dressed up in philosophical terms.
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All of these "counter-examples" are irrelevant to the question of the morality of elective abortion.

<alt>doxygen said:
Your concern is strictly anti-abortion, but made very strange graphing on the idea that a woman can abort if her life is threatened. Nothing about if she's raped by a mass murderer. Oh, well. It's simpler that way.
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It's consistent that way.
 
Peter King said:
Not sure what mill you are talking about but Gosnell was an outlier, not the norm at all for abortion doctors, and yes, there is no indication that his crimes are well spread under any condition.

Personally I support allowing parents to not have a late abortion (other than to save the life of the mother) but allow birth to take place and then euthanize if wanted the child in case of severe birth defects with no chance of survival or in case of severely birth defect children who may have a small chance for a short survival but only with immense and inhumane pain. That would prevent any need for late term abortion for children with no chance of survival.
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Are you sure that the Gosnell Clinic was an outlier?

Since it was exempted from any form of inspection in compliance with the policies of the State of Pennsylvania, it seems that the Gosnell Clinic was operating "under the radar".

Any clinic that provided abortion services received the same exemption.

How many more clinics that provided abortion services were on a par with the Gosnell Mill?
 
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