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Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

year2late said:
And I am 100 percent confident that the largest strides in decreasing abortion rates will come with decreasing unwanted pregnancy rates - and that means better access to affordable more reliable contraception. The real decrease will be when men have long term birth control options that are safe and affordable.
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The right only focuses on the fact that they provide the LEGAL access to abortions and completely ignore the fact that their main goal is to prevent the need for that decision to be needed.
And more support for planned parenthood
 
year2late said:
And frankly, if scotus said "no" to abortions.....they would still occur on a large scale. Just not as safe or completely effective. Your local drug pusher will hook you up should a ban occur.

Or an herbalist will figure out a concoction based on what they used in Biblical times.;)

The lack of pragmatism by those on the "Pro-life" (pro-fetus) side is amazing.
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You will be able to get an abortion and and an AR-15 from the same guy...
 
year2late said:
Yes!

And frankly it is not your decision because you are a man, it is not your decision because you are not the specific person who is needs to make that condition. I am a woman and cannot make that decision for another woman.
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Exactly, I do not like people forcing their beliefs on me (particularly religious) so I do not feel it's my right to force my beliefs on them.

I have three children all three were surprises at times that for one reason or another inconvenient. One was at high risk to be mentally challenged. We never even considered aborting any of them, that was the choice we made. I am in no position to fault anyone for making a different choice.

I am not pro abortion, I am pro individual rigbts.
 
Celebrity said:
Abortion may not end in our lifetime, but it can and likely will be more restricted. How confident are you that abortion will not end in our lifetime as long as Pence is in a position of power?
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The "restrictions" that are being bandied about right now will actually increase the possibility of abortion, but the numbers will likely drop do to enhanced birth control efforts.

I agree that the man should have the ability to "opt out" of the pregnancy as well as a woman, but if he chooses to do so, he should never, and that means ever, be allowed back in the child's life. Period.

Pence is the best reason for not impeaching Trump, but, even he cannot change SCOTUS rulings.
 
year2late said:
Yes!

And frankly it is not your decision because you are a man, it is not your decision because you are not the specific person who is needs to make that condition. I am a woman and cannot make that decision for another woman.
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Luftwaffe said:
With regards to getting an abortion, DUH.

But if you're saying he has zero political say on whether or not abortions should be governed by state or federal or banned or not banned then you are absolutely 100% wrong.
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Making your own medical decisions (whether it is abortion or chemotherapy or open heart surgery) is not a male or female issue. It is a private decision between an MD and patient. And of course, of the patient wants to break privacy...that is up to him or her)

But both men and women are open to discuss the issue.
 
Luftwaffe said:
"I usually don't... not equipped with the proper plumbing..."

Well if that's how you look at it, you may as well not have an opinion on immigration if you aren't an immigrant, or an opinion on minimum wage if you don't make minimum wage, etc.

I any case, it is either a state or federal issue. As of right now, abortion is a federal issue as it is a federally protected right as deemed by the SCOTUS. Of course, that hasn't been enumerated anywhere, and the minute the SCOTUS turns conservative, it can easily be overturned and left to the federal government or to the states to ban or allow.

Corporations and banks are incapable of obtaining abortions, that's a non sequitur and you know it. I have neither advocated for nor against the individual's capacity to obtain an abortion, I merely advocate for the legal question of whether one can to be decided by the states rather than the federal government.
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Well tax dollars suport low wage workers, I pay taxes so I am effected.

Undocumented workers are vital for our agricultural Industry, particularly dairy bere in Wisconsin. I do not want to pay ten dollars for a gallon of milk, so immigration affects me personally.

Don't even get me started on how banks ****ed America over...
 
HowardBThiname said:
The "restrictions" that are being bandied about right now will actually increase the possibility of abortion, but the numbers will likely drop do to enhanced birth control efforts.

I agree that the man should have the ability to "opt out" of the pregnancy as well as a woman, but if he chooses to do so, he should never, and that means ever, be allowed back in the child's life. Period.

Pence is the best reason for not impeaching Trump, but, even he cannot change SCOTUS rulings.
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If paternity fears are so strong, you'd think more men would be careful not to shoot a loaded gun into a blind hole.
 
HowardBThiname said:
The "restrictions" that are being bandied about right now will actually increase the possibility of abortion, but the numbers will likely drop do to enhanced birth control efforts.

I agree that the man should have the ability to "opt out" of the pregnancy as well as a woman, but if he chooses to do so, he should never, and that means ever, be allowed back in the child's life. Period.

Pence is the best reason for not impeaching Trump, but, even he cannot change SCOTUS rulings.
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When a women ops out of a preganancy that means getting an abortion. So for a man to opt out as you suggest that would have to mean that he is able to force her to get an abortion.

or are you suggesting he has the right to walk away from his own actions and mistake and dump the problem on others.
 
GDViking said:
Well tax dollars suport low wage workers, I pay taxes so I am effected.

Undocumented workers are vital for our agricultural Industry, particularly dairy bere in Wisconsin. I do not want to pay ten dollars for a gallon of milk, so immigration affects me personally.

Don't even get me started on how banks ****ed America over...
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That is nothing more than a rather amazing statement that you support slavery.

Undocumented workers have no rights and the conditions of employment are whatever a boss, who is already a criminal by hiring them in the first place, sets.

Workers are vital for your supply of milk, not the illegal practice of slavery.

And if geting milk to your table is going to cost that much then someone is definetly over pricing their costs. Which is no surprise when you already have criminals running your milk industry.
 
soylentgreen said:
When a women ops out of a preganancy that means getting an abortion. So for a man to opt out as you suggest that would have to mean that he is able to force her to get an abortion.

or are you suggesting he has the right to walk away from his own actions and mistake and dump the problem on others.
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Actually, here in the US, the price paid for impregnating women is nowhere near sufficient enough to deter reckless behavior. If it was, more men would be careful and no one would father a dozen children with a dozen different women.
 
GDViking said:
Well tax dollars suport low wage workers, I pay taxes so I am effected.

Undocumented workers are vital for our agricultural Industry, particularly dairy bere in Wisconsin. I do not want to pay ten dollars for a gallon of milk, so immigration affects me personally.

Don't even get me started on how banks ****ed America over...
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Right, avoid the crux of my post and feel better about yourself.
 
year2late said:
Making your own medical decisions (whether it is abortion or chemotherapy or open heart surgery) is not a male or female issue. It is a private decision between an MD and patient. And of course, of the patient wants to break privacy...that is up to him or her)

But both men and women are open to discuss the issue.
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It is private only so long as SCOTUS deems it to be since you have no explicit backing from the constitution. At the end of the day thats all i care to warn you about. Keep an eye out on the next SCOTUS replacement because that can very well end legal abortion
 
He's a guy who can't even have lunch with someone other than his wife because he's a religious nutjob who thinks natural, biological thoughts of sex is bad and he feels guilty. This is why religious nutjobs in the middle east make their women cover up. Pence would probably support that too if he could.

Go F yourself Pence, we are not moving backwards, and even if you make it illegal, people have been doing it long before medical abortions. Unless something happens where religious nutjobs like himself take over (like Handmaids Tale) this will never happen.

 
Celebrity said:
Women of the USA: why do you insist on entertaining the fantasy that forced motherhood is bad but forced fatherhood is good?

The Vice President of the United States is calling to take away rights which allow you to choose what to do with your body. This autonomy on a physical level is part of what makes us human. But it is also a choice of how to behave in society, and whether or not we should be parents.

It seems quite clear to me that men and women should both be allowed to have sex with one another without risking a prison sentence, if the other chooses to enforce non-custodial support.

Why do you suppose that women still want to financially abuse men in this way? Are women really so vindictive that they are willing to risk it all just to snub men? Or are they too meek and mild mannered to stand up for themselves?

I know how that feels. I once tried to present evidence in court of the unconstitutionality of forced fatherhood. The judge refused to admit it. It really hurts to go to a place where one expects to find honor, civility, respect, wisdom and justice, and find ignorance and obstinate discrimination in its place. But I feel my situation is slightly different. Whereas I presently am incapable of rightly exercising autonomy, woman can and do disavow motherhood. Therefore, advocacy I do is not in defense of an existing legal protection of men. Unfortunately, I believe women have grown smug and self righteous. They do not understand that their rights are at risk because of their egotistical complacency. If women stood up for what was right for all people, and not just all women, they could speak to a much wider audience.

Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time' | TheHill
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There is no mandatory fatherhood. What are you talking about? Child support? You can terninate parental rights. Then you don’t have a responsibility.
 
Celebrity said:
Abortion may not end in our lifetime, but it can and likely will be more restricted. How confident are you that abortion will not end in our lifetime as long as Pence is in a position of power?
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I wonder if you're American? Because, any American can tell you that VPOTUS isn't a position of power.
This is what makes me laugh when liberals want Trump gone or dead. Welcome President Pence.
 
soylentgreen said:
When a women ops out of a preganancy that means getting an abortion. So for a man to opt out as you suggest that would have to mean that he is able to force her to get an abortion.

or are you suggesting he has the right to walk away from his own actions and mistake and dump the problem on others.
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Yes, what exactly is the OP suggesting? Forced abortion? No child support?
The post reeks of misogyny and lack of personal responsibility.
It's no secret how babies are made.
 
soylentgreen said:
That is nothing more than a rather amazing statement that you support slavery.

Undocumented workers have no rights and the conditions of employment are whatever a boss, who is already a criminal by hiring them in the first place, sets.

Workers are vital for your supply of milk, not the illegal practice of slavery.

And if geting milk to your table is going to cost that much then someone is definetly over pricing their costs. Which is no surprise when you already have criminals running your milk industry.
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That is an amazing statement proving that you know nothing about agriculture. They are paid very fairly for very hard work, work high school students used to do, however they have become so spoiled that the work is too hard for the 15 dollars an hour they would start at.

Now think about orchards and asparagus, tomato farms, etc... Who do you thinks picks that produce? Do you think santa and his elves do it in their off time.

Louisiana cracked down on undocumented workers a few years back, tomatoes rotted on the vines and many farms went bankrupt.

Try looking at tbe big picture and not just through your us and them goggles.
 
Luftwaffe said:
It is private only so long as SCOTUS deems it to be since you have no explicit backing from the constitution. At the end of the day thats all i care to warn you about. Keep an eye out on the next SCOTUS replacement because that can very well end legal abortion
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I do not see HIPPA going away anytime soon.

Can you imagine what they would have to do? Monitor every womans menstrual cycles for life. Then if there was a pregnancy she there would have to be an investigation if there was no baby.:lamo
 
year2late said:
I do not see HIPPA going away anytime soon.

Can you imagine what they would have to do? Monitor every womans menstrual cycles for life. Then if there was a pregnancy she there would have to be an investigation if there was no baby.:lamo
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No need to monitor every woman's menstrual cycle just because abortion is illegal. Thats about as dumb as saying we have to monitor every person's emotions because murder or theft is banned.

As for investigating whether an abortion took place, well duh if a crime allegedly took place then you would conduct an investigation.

I fail to see the valid arguments in that post.

The best argument I've seen for pro choice is the idea that a fetus isnt protected under the constitution as a "person." That actually has some value as an srgument if you ask me.
 
Grand Mal said:
It's strange how conservatives who cite the ineffective drug laws as examples of how futile gun laws would be will say that making abortion illegal will end abortion.
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A true conservative is pro choice. there is nothing more "big government".. than the government getting involved in a person's medical decisions.
 
calamity said:
If paternity fears are so strong, you'd think more men would be careful not to shoot a loaded gun into a blind hole.
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You'd think -- and yet -- it happens. Males and females both face the same challenges when considering whether or not they are ready to raise a child. The best option, of course, is to advocate for good birth control practices, but if the unthinkable happens (and, it happens way too often), I think both the male and the female should be able to opt-out of being parents, physically and financially.
 
soylentgreen said:
When a women ops out of a preganancy that means getting an abortion. So for a man to opt out as you suggest that would have to mean that he is able to force her to get an abortion.

or are you suggesting he has the right to walk away from his own actions and mistake and dump the problem on others.
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I would never advocate that anyone pressure a woman to abort -- that should be her decision alone.

But, I would allow males a small window of opportunity to opt-out, say within three months after they learn of the pregnancy. If they don't opt out then -- they're committed -- but if they do, they can go on about their lives without a child.
 
If they really wanted abortion to end (or be reduced) they would fund PLanned parenthood. THEre would be comprehensive sex education in schools. They would invest in scientific research to find more reliable forms of birth control. YOu wouldn't be making it legal for religious employees to not have their insurance cover contraceptives.

But they don't, they use it to get dumb people to vote for them regardless of all the scummy things they do
 
year2late said:
I do not see HIPPA going away anytime soon.

Can you imagine what they would have to do? Monitor every womans menstrual cycles for life. Then if there was a pregnancy she there would have to be an investigation if there was no baby.:lamo
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Every miscarriage would have to be investigated.

Every medically necessary abortion would need to be investigated. (Women in some other countries need to get govt permission. And are sometimes denied. And then they sometimes die.)

Of course, the results of that would be that women wouldnt bother consulting a Dr before deciding to keep a pregnancy or not. Pregnancy tests are accurate today. Women would just choose ahead of time which other options for an abortion they'd take....illegal, Canada, Mex, nice cruise ships just outside US waters...just like gambling ships. All paid for by the private donations that currently fund PP and other providers of abortions. And my guess is that they'd increase.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I would never advocate that anyone pressure a woman to abort -- that should be her decision alone.

But, I would allow males a small window of opportunity to opt-out, say within three months after they learn of the pregnancy. If they don't opt out then -- they're committed -- but if they do, they can go on about their lives without a child.
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Please let us know when the taxpayers can 'opt out' of our (zero) responsibilities for their kids then.
 
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