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IMPORTANT: A message for those who support 3rd party candidates

This is IMPORTANT??? LMMFAO. This the least of our problems; our problem is due to the fact we don't have enough of our citizenry involved in the political process. We need to encourage everyone to vote whether they vote for the candidate from one of the two major political parties or from a third one.
 
pbrauer said:
This is IMPORTANT??? LMMFAO. This the least of our problems; our problem is due to the fact we don't have enough of our citizenry involved in the political process. We need to encourage everyone to vote whether they vote for the candidate from one of the two major political parties or from a third one.
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I suppose I'm in the minority on that one too, but I don't WANT people to vote who don't have a good grasp on the issues or who don't care about the implications of the election so long as their own benefits continue. I respect those who disagree with me on what the priorities should be and who would make the better candidate. I have no respect for those who vote out of spite or petulance or ignorance or because they were bribed or to continue the benefits the rest of us pay for.
 
How would me voting one way and someone else voting the other side of the Romney-Obama thing matter? It would not. Both sides are just scared they are going to lose and well they should be. They both suck.
 
poweRob said:
In other words folks, vote for the candidates that Grim has prechosen for you.
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Hey, every single word of that post is ideologically neutral. You won't find one sentence, one phrase, or as much as a single word containing even a hint of political bias anywhere...

It must really suck to be someone who has such a need to insult others, they have to resort to making crap up.
 
Grim17 said:
Hey, every single word of that post is ideologically neutral. You won't find one sentence, one phrase, or as much as a single word containing even a hint of political bias anywhere...
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Hmm

Because casting a vote for anyone else, is no different than if you had just stayed home, and this election is far to important to do that.
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ecofarm said:
Hmm.
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That opinion was purely a practical one, not an ideological one. Nowhere in that post did I say, or even suggest, that 3rd parties and their candidates were inferior to the GOP, the Dems, or their candidates.

I'm curious... Why do you feel the need to question my honesty, even when it's so obvious to everyone, that nothing I've posted is dishonest?
 
I do what I want.
 
Zyphlin said:
Every time this argument is thrown out there my desire to vote for a 3rd party candidate increases, not decreases.

You cast your vote based on what's important to you, I'll cast mine based on what's important to me, and go from there.
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Weren't you actually defending Romney just recently?
 
Born Free said:
It sounded like you were switching, are you?
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No, he was just using an abstract statement as a means to communicate his dislike for anyone suggesting that people should not vote their consciences... In other words, he was less than thrilled with my opinion. :)
 
straykatz said:
The only votes wasted are by those who do not vote.

Those voting 3rd party may not have a prayer in getting their guy elected but who are we to say because of this they should vote Romney or Obama.....if one of those guys are unable to win without the 3rd party voters then they don't deserve the win.
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If a person knows nothing about the candidate they are voting for and merely votes because some celeb or political ad told them to vote is a wasted vote.The other wasted vote is the person who votes for a candidate the they despise. These two groups are voters are only harming the country.
 
We have been taught at school that a person's vote represents their voice and opinions; we are to vote based on our views and not make a certain party win or lose. Voting for a third party if it represents your views the most would be the sound as per the aforementioned school teaching. However, where I live, namely Nicaragua, third parties are created to sway off votes from the main opposition parties and keep the governing one "owning" (note that it's not "leading") the country. This brings us one question, who votes for these destructive third parties? I doubt I could give you a solid answer, but I have the feeling it's mostly the uneducated segment of the population. Nonetheless, this case is particular to Nicaragua (probably other developing countries too -if you can call this development- but this is the case I know the best) with its extreme level of corruption. Just to give you an idea: half of the candidates for the municipal elections on November 4th either don't live in the country, are in jail or are dead.
In the U.S., given that third parties are actually committed to a worthy cause, a vote for them is a useful vote, not trash.
 
Grim17 said:
First, it's pains me to say this, but it's the unfortunate reality of politics in America... Barring the winner of the next election dying before being sworn in, the absolute reality is, that on inauguration day this January there are only 2 possible outcomes.. Either Barack Obama will be sworn in for a second term as President of the United States, or Mitt Romney will be sworn in and become America's 45th President. That's it folks... There is nothing anyone can say or do to change that reality... NOTHING.

On election day, I know from experience that there is nothing more righteous, or more honorable, than going to the polls and casting a vote of principal and conscience, for the candidate you truly believe in your heart, is the best and most qualified person to be President of the United States. I admire those who stand by their principals by voting for the person they truly believe in. It's a noble thing to do.

Unfortunately though, for a small but growing segment of Americans that do this in support of a 3rd party candidate, it comes at a cost. In doing so, a person surrenders their influence and effectively has no say in who will lead the country. In reality, it means that their votes truly won't count, and their efforts end up contributing absolutely nothing to the process of electing a president. Understandably, that's a price they are more than willing to pay for standing by their convictions and beliefs, but there's another very important cost that I hope you all will give serious consideration to before you vote... It's what it could cost the country and every single one of us, if the wrong person wins the election.

In a perfect world, a person should always cast their vote for the person they feel is best for the job without exception... But the world, including this country, are far from perfect and given how close we find ourselves to the edge of that ever looming financial cliff that we're currently on, it wouldn't take many steps in the wrong direction for us to go over the edge. I truly believe for the first time in my life, that a real potential exists, that the American economy could collapse due to mistakes, errors in judgment, or incorrect actions possibly taken by our president in the coming 4 years.

Understand, I'm not saying this will happen, nor do I believe it's likely to happen, I just believe that the possibility of the economy tanking due to presidential mis-steps now exists, which for me raises the importance of who we elect. If you believe as I do, that the country is in trouble, and how the economy is handled over the next 4 years is of great importance, I strongly urge you to take part in deciding which candidate would serve the country's best interests, by casting a vote that's capable of effecting the outcome of the coming election.

Even if you can't stand Barack Obama or Mitt Romney and believe that electing either would be a disaster, for the sake of the country, I hope you will hold your nose and cast your vote for the one you believe to be the better choice of the two... Because casting a vote for anyone else, is no different than if you had just stayed home, and this election is far to important to do that.

There's a lot riding on this election, so I really hope that those of you who had planned to vote for a 3rd party candidate, would please reconsider that decision... There's just too much to lose here.

Thanks.
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That is absolutely correct. Anyone who wants Obama out has to vote for Romney. A 'green' vote is essentially a vote for the status quo. Only a Republican can beat Obama!
 
Redress said:
I smell desperation!

Seriously, if people want third parties to become relevant, they have to vote for those candidates. I understand why you want people to sell out their values, but it still is pretty ****ty to ask them to do it.
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its a wasted plea for those on this board
 
Tafeldienst said:
We have been taught at school that a person's vote represents their voice and opinions; we are to vote based on our views and not make a certain party win or lose. Voting for a third party if it represents your views the most would be the sound as per the aforementioned school teaching. However, where I live, namely Nicaragua, third parties are created to sway off votes from the main opposition parties and keep the governing one "owning" (note that it's not "leading") the country. This brings us one question, who votes for these destructive third parties? I doubt I could give you a solid answer, but I have the feeling it's mostly the uneducated segment of the population. Nonetheless, this case is particular to Nicaragua (probably other developing countries too -if you can call this development- but this is the case I know the best) with its extreme level of corruption. Just to give you an idea: half of the candidates for the municipal elections on November 4th either don't live in the country, are in jail or are dead.
In the U.S., given that third parties are actually committed to a worthy cause, a vote for them is a useful vote, not trash.
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I take it you went to a public school! LOL. I don't recall a single time after an election anyone saying, 'gee the green vote was really important!' Elections are about getting your part in. And if you think it isn't then you really don't know enough about the parties to make an informed decision.
 
Grim17 said:
Hey, every single word of that post is ideologically neutral. You won't find one sentence, one phrase, or as much as a single word containing even a hint of political bias anywhere...

It must really suck to be someone who has such a need to insult others, they have to resort to making crap up.
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You just don't get it. It isn't the message as near as it is the messenger.

You are the most hyperpartisan poster here. As soon as one sees your name in a thread you already know the post will be nothing but slamming Obama.

Just as if Iranian President Ahmandinejad came out tomorrow and make a news conference asking if Isarael and Iran can come together and be friends. Not buying it.
 
Maenad said:
I take it you went to a public school! LOL. I don't recall a single time after an election anyone saying, 'gee the green vote was really important!' Elections are about getting your part in. And if you think it isn't then you really don't know enough about the parties to make an informed decision.
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Actually, I attend a private German school (Auslandsschule). I take it you have only lived in the U.S. and really don't know much about politics outside of it (I don't do much either, other than the particular cases of Germany and Nicaragua). As you said, elections are about getting your part/voice in/heard, thus, we conclude that we ought to vote for the party the agrees the most with our positions.
 
straykatz said:
The only votes wasted are by those who do not vote.

Those voting 3rd party may not have a prayer in getting their guy elected but who are we to say because of this they should vote Romney or Obama.....if one of those guys are unable to win without the 3rd party voters then they don't deserve the win.
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The point is that there is no "IF" - one of these guys WILL be elected.

The point is that a 3rd party voter gets to withhold a vote for one of them. That absolutely is a 'half-vote' (at least) for the 'other guy.'

What makes complete sense is to choose whichever candidate (one of which WILL become POTUS) that you have the LEAST in common with - whose principles are MOST opposite your own - and vote for the OTHER guy.

It is complete INSANITY to say that candidate A is the best on the economy and foreign policy and overall leadership, and candidate B is absolutely OPPOSITE to everything I believe in, but dammit - candidate A doesn't support legalizing marijuana (or some other fringe position) so *I* am going to show my total dedication to marijuana and vote for candidate X even though I know my vote may be instrumental in getting candidate B elected.

Support for a third party can be useful if you are in a state that is already overwhelmingly going one way or another. I live in Louisiana and it makes no difference at all who *I* vote for - or whether i vote at all. But if I lived in Ohio, I would be insane to vote for anyone other than the guy who has the best chance of defeating the candidate who is absolutely the WORST potential POTUS.

Voting third party in a close state makes as much sense as refusing to get in a lifeboat because you don't like the color - you would rather fight off the sharks until a lime green life boat comes along to pick you up.

Silly beyond words.
 
Born Free said:
It sounded like you were switching, are you?
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Nope, was just expressing that these type of arguments concerning people deciding to vote 3rd party tend to actually cause me to have an emotional reaction desiring to actually vote 3rd party. Romney's done enough, especially in a swing state, for me to cast my vote for him. His move to the middle over the past few weeks just pretty much cemented my view in terms of his ideology, his mentality, and how he'll likely lead and it's one I'm comfortable supporting.

It's very similar to when 3rd party people criticize and insult people for voting for one of the two major parties, which typically turns me OFF of voting 3rd party.

Had Santorum been nominated instead, I likely would've voted Gary Johnson and every one of these type of comments...more so the likes of Rokk and Maenard...would've guaranteed that my vote went to him rather than Santorum. Thankfully, he didn't get the nod and as much as I'm not thrilled with Romney, he's someone I at least believe won't have a significant shot at harming this country.

As citizens, our vote is one of the most precious things we have and one of the most explicate examples of our rights within this country. There are numerous legitimate thought processes one could use to determine how they wish to cast said vote based upon what is most important to them. Some are pragmatic while others are idealic, some care about principles while others practicality. Some people want to send a message to the side opposite of them, others want to send the message to their own side. Some people believe a vote is your statement of support for THAT person and what they do and as such can't vote for people they can't honestly support. Others believe that there are only two real options so you need to vote for the lesser or two evils if there's not someone you can support. There are a lot of different motivating factors and thoughts that go into an individual voting and I don't particularly think one method is better than the other, and I have visceral desire to act opposite to the way an individual is suggesting I act when they attempt to suggest that some peoples method of thinking is wrong. This is ESPECIALLY the case when someone suggests that a persons vote is for someone it isn't for (I don't believe Grim did this thankfully) or if they suggest its "wasted", and to a lesser extent if they suggest that it's no different than staying home (Disagree completely).
 
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Grim17 said:
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First, it's pains me to say this, but it's the unfortunate reality of politics in America... Barring the winner of the next election dying before being sworn in, the absolute reality is, that on inauguration day this January there are only 2 possible outcomes.. Either Barack Obama will be sworn in for a second term as President of the United States, or Mitt Romney will be sworn in and become America's 45th President. That's it folks... There is nothing anyone can say or do to change that reality... NOTHING.

On election day, I know from experience that there is nothing more righteous, or more honorable, than going to the polls and casting a vote of principal and conscience, for the candidate you truly believe in your heart, is the best and most qualified person to be President of the United States. I admire those who stand by their principals by voting for the person they truly believe in. It's a noble thing to do. 

Unfortunately though, for a small but growing segment of Americans that do this in support of a 3rd party candidate, it comes at a cost. In doing so, a person surrenders their influence and effectively has no say in who will lead the country. In reality, it means that their votes truly won't count, and their efforts end up contributing absolutely nothing to the process of electing a president. Understandably, that's a price they are more than willing to pay for standing by their convictions and beliefs, but there's another very important cost that I hope you all will give serious consideration to before you vote... It's what it could cost the country and every single one of us, if the wrong person wins the election.

In a perfect world, a person should always cast their vote for the person they feel is best for the job without exception... But the world, including this country, are far from perfect and given how close we find ourselves to the edge of that ever looming financial cliff that we're currently on, it wouldn't take many steps in the wrong direction for us to go over the edge. I truly believe for the first time in my life, that a real potential exists, that the American economy could collapse due to mistakes, errors in judgment, or incorrect actions possibly taken by our president in the coming 4 years.
 
Understand, I'm not saying this will happen, nor do I believe it's likely to happen, I just believe that the possibility of the economy tanking due to presidential mis-steps now exists, which for me raises the importance of who we elect. If you believe as I do, that the country is in trouble, and how the economy is handled over the next 4 years is of great importance, I strongly urge you to take part in deciding which candidate would serve the country's best interests, by casting a vote that's capable of effecting the outcome of the coming election.
     
Even if you can't stand Barack Obama or Mitt Romney and believe that electing either would be a disaster, for the sake of the country, I hope you will hold your nose and cast your vote for the one you believe to be the better choice of the two... Because casting a vote for anyone else, is no different than if you had just stayed home, and this election is far to important to do that.

There's a lot riding on this election, so I really hope that those of you who had planned to vote for a 3rd party candidate, would please reconsider that decision... There's just too much to lose here. 

Thanks
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When Romney loses it will be due to die hard party-tard republicans failing to elect a candidate during the primaries that is actually appealing to real conservatives. Personally I hope the republicans get their ass handed to them on election day due to them having the audacity of trying to prop up a dirty lib as a conservative.
 
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