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Why did Zimm call 911?

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Let's admit it, if it was a white kid in a polo shirt and Sperry Topsiders that call would never have been made.
 
spanky said:
Let's admit it, if it was a white kid in a polo shirt and Sperry Topsiders that call would never have been made.
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It would have if the people who'd been robbing the subdivision over the past few months had been white kids.

George Zimmerman's Sanford, Fla., neighbor, said the neighborhood watchman protected his residence from a potential burglary several weeks before the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Frank Taaffe, a former neighborhood watch captain, told CNN's "Starting Point" that his house was in the process of being robbed on Feb. 2, but Zimmerman called Sanford police, who thwarted the robbery.

"My house was being robbed, and George on his nightly rounds watched this burglary in progress, called Sanford P.D., waited for them, and helped ensure that nothing bad happened to my house," Taaffe said. "And it's documented in the 911 call for February 2. That was my residence that George Zimmerman helped stop." Zimmerman shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26. "Neighbor-hood, that's a great word," Taaffe said.

Taaffe said that "young black males" were the perpetrators in the attempted robbery of his home. "We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot," Taaffe said. "It would have been nine."
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Next?
 
The police investigator said what makes someone "suspicious" is "black on black on black."
 
MaggieD said:
It would have if the people who'd been robbing the subdivision over the past few months had been white kids.



Next?
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So you admit Zimm called 911 because TM was black?
 
spanky said:
Let's admit it, if it was a white kid in a polo shirt and Sperry Topsiders that call would never have been made.
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Not sure your point actually. Generally, burglars don't wear a polo shirt and Sperry Topsiders. I think you tossed "white kid" into that to try to create a racial motivate - meaning the quality of your message is below their usual excellence.

To ask the question you seem to be making, would be would GZ have called if it was a 17 year old white kid wearing a dark hoodie, wandering back and forth in the rain, at night, in their high crime neighborhood, around the building rather than on the sidewalk?

Do you still claim it obviously GZ would not have called the police. If so, why?
 
MaggieD said:
It would have if the people who'd been robbing the subdivision over the past few months had been white kids.



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By your own admission the perps had been young black males. So did Zimm call the cops every time he saw a young person in the complex? Every time he saw a male?
 
"Not sure your point actually. Generally, burglars don't wear a polo shirt and Sperry Topsiders."

What do they wear?
 
spanky said:
By your own admission the perps had been young black males. So did Zimmc all the cops every time he saw a young person in the complex? Every time he saw a male?
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I don't know. Do you?

If you want to accuse Zimmerman of racism, you'll get some people on this board who will agree with you. But if you're trying to lead the rest of us, who don't think racism is involved by "trapping" us? We're too damned smart for that, Spanky.

It's pretty hard to prove racism was involved when homes in his subdivision had been burglarized 8 times in 18 months by black teenagers. Wouldn't you say? Or do you think that ducks chirp?
 
MaggieD said:
I don't know. Do you?

If you want to accuse Zimmerman of racism, you'll get some people on this board who will agree with you. But if you're trying to lead the rest of us, who don't think racism is involved by "trapping" us? We're too damned smart for that, Spanky.

It's pretty hard to prove racism was involved when homes in his subdivision had been burglarized 8 times in 18 months by black teenagers. Wouldn't you say? Or do you think that ducks chirp?
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But by Zimm's own statements he wasn't sure of the race of the suspect, he wasn't sure of his age, hell he wasn't even sure of the gender. It wasn't until TM approached his vehicle Zimm confirmed he was a young black male.

The issue isn't race per se, it's profiling. And I ask the question not as a condemnation of profiling in itself but because I think that is the tack the pross is going to take.

This is an academic exercise, let's leave the histrionics at the door.
 
spanky said:
But by Zimm's own statements he wasn't sure of the race of the suspect, he wasn't sure of his age, hell he wasn't even sure of the gender. It wasn't until TM approached his vehicle Zimm confirmed he was a young black male.

The issue isn't race per se, it's profiling. And I ask the question not as a condemnation of profiling in itself but because I think that is the tack the pross is going to take.

This is an academic exercise, let's leave the histrionics at the door.
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You can't handle my histrionics. And you haven't seen them, either. Your bolded sentence above is 100% incorrect. Do your homework. Why don't you add to other threads instead of starting your own -- and learn something first.
 
MaggieD said:
You can't handle my histrionics. And you haven't seen them, either. Your bolded sentence above is 100% incorrect. Do your homework. Why don't you add to other threads instead of starting your own -- and learn something first.
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I do do my homework and although my memory can be faulty at times it is my recollection that when asked the race of the suspect Zimm said "I think he's black" and didn't confirm it to the 911 op until TM approached his vehicle.

If I'm incorrect, please point it out.
 
spanky said:
Let's admit it, if it was a white kid in a polo shirt and Sperry Topsiders that call would never have been made.
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Z wanted to be a cop real bad but didn't make the cut.

He was acting out his hero fantasies in his little corner of the world.

Not necessarily a bad thing, either. This time it went too far, imo. Z got himself into a situation he wasn't equipped to deal with.

Barney Fife to the rescue!
 
I'll ask another question, why was it so important for DD to make a point of TM putting his hood up at the mail enclosure AFTER Zimm passed by in his car?
 
spanky said:
I do do my homework and although my memory can be faulty at times it is my recollection that when asked the race of the suspect Zimm said "I think he's black" and didn't confirm it to the 911 op until TM approached his vehicle.

If I'm incorrect, please point it out.
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Look it up. Your memory is faulty. On the original 911 call, the operator asked "Do you know what race..." or some-such. He answered. "Black."
 
spanky said:
So you admit Zimm called 911 because TM was black?
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Its a factor. Its the only factor that you would like to focus on. But it is A factor.
 
spanky said:
By your own admission the perps had been young black males. So did Zimm call the cops every time he saw a young person in the complex? Every time he saw a male?
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Are you intentionally ignoring the other factors?

Also, do you know what all he saw Trayvon Martin doing that night? HOW he was doing what he was doing.

For example.... You are aware walking in a general descriptive word right? I can walk a certain way, and you can walk a certain way, and someone can have an opinion of us just based upon HOW we are walking.... you realize that right?

If you can't get the big picture, its best to leave the subject alone. Im not saying I know how Martin was walking. I wasn't there just like you weren't.

However, Im not trying to dissect and 2nd guess every action made based on what I think happened while discarding Zimmerman's own statements.
 
What if...? said:
Z wanted to be a cop real bad but didn't make the cut.

He was acting out his hero fantasies in his little corner of the world.

Not necessarily a bad thing, either. This time it went too far, imo. Z got himself into a situation he wasn't equipped to deal with.

Barney Fife to the rescue!
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And here we go with the retarded ****.

At least spanky is trying to actually debate something, instead of just coming in here and running his mouth.
 
"Also, do you know what all he saw Trayvon Martin doing that night?'

Personally, I think much of that was Zimm gilding the lily.
 
Caine said:
Its a factor. Its the only factor that you would like to focus on. But it is A factor.
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It will be the central factor in this trial for the pross.
 
Caine said:
And here we go with the retarded ****.

At least spanky is trying to actually debate something, instead of just coming in here and running his mouth.
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OP asked a question.

I answered it.

Z called 911 because he was acting out his cop desires.

Protecting his community.

Which i said wasn't a bad thing. With qualifications.

What part did you find so offensive?
 
I have no doubt Zimmerman is a wannabe cop, racially profiled Martin and called 911. Taffee confirmed it.

Racial profiling is racism-lite or modern-racism.

They up to no good - Modern Racism mentality

When there is a will, there is a way - Ye olde English proverb
 
"If you want to accuse Zimmerman of racism..."

I don't think Zimm is a racist, I think he profiled which led to the unfortunate outcome and i also believe that is where the pross will go.

The question we should be asking is whether the profiling was reasonable.
 
hawke812 said:
I have no doubt Zimmerman is a wannabe cop, racially profiled Martin and called 911. Taffee confirmed it.

Racial profiling is racism-lite or modern-racism.

They up to no good - Modern Racism mentality

When there is a will, there is a way - Ye olde English proverb
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Profiling isn't racism, it's profiling. Every time I go into the store to buy toilet paper I profile.

Does that make me a racist?

The question is whether the profiling is reasonable and whether that profiling results in trampling on anothers constitutional rights.
 
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