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Creating Terrorists, Why do we continue to do it?

The relevance is that the Palestinians give as much credibility of British control of their land as the Americans gave to the British control of their country.
Correct, that statement refers to both the Palestinian Jews (modern Israelis) and both the Palestinian Arabs (modern Palestinians).
Both have fought against the British occupation of the land and have of course wanted to banish it.

The agreement that the Palestinian Arabs have refused on was, however, the decision of the international community to agree to the establishment of the state of the Palestinian Jews, next to the state of the Palestinian Arabs.

It was then that the Palestinian Arabs (and later on, 5 other Arab nations) have decided to annihilate fledgling Israel in an act of aggression and war, attacking their Jewish neighbors that have just declared Independence from the same British occupation.

Fortunately, they have failed.
 
An expansionist policy is known to be one that attacks lands and conquers them, not one that defends from attempts to conquer one's land, and taking the aggressors' land once victorious.

That would be a bizarre definition of the term if it ever was one.

Let's examine the definition of expansionist ~

"A nation's practice or policy of territorial or economic expansion."
expansionist - definition of expansionist by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Now let's look at what Israel has been doing ~

"Israel has announced two new housing projects in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, continuing to expand its settlements. Officials have stated that a bill to be approved by parliament this week, would set aside $25 million for the expansion of development projects in Har Homa and Maale Adumim. The bill would create 500 apartments in the Har Homa area and another 240 in Maale Adumim."
Israel continues settlement expansion - Wikinews, the free news source

"Aerial photographs by Israel's defence ministry have provided fresh evidence that the government is continuing its rapid expansion of Jewish settlements in the West Bank despite public statements to the contrary.

The Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz yesterday reported that the pictures, taken last summer and again this year, show extensive construction on settlements, confirming Palestinian fears that Ariel Sharon is using the upheaval around the removal of Jewish settlers from the Gaza strip as cover to grab control of more of the West Bank."


Last month, both Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert signed a statement of "joint understanding" at the 2007 Annapolis Conference in Maryland. This signalled the first peace agreement between the two parties in more than seven years.

However, many fear that settlement expansions will cause tension amid new peace agreements.

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said, "This is a totally destructive policy. Every day we hear a new settlement expansion plan - this cannot be tolerated."

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/mar/21/israel]Photos reveal Israeli West Bank expansion | World news | The Guardian[/URL]

Yep, Israel's expansionist practices fit the definition.
 
Yep, Israel's expansionist practices fit the definition.
So you're speaking about the Israeli settlements in the West bank.

As the definition of the term 'expansionism' is "A nation's practice or policy of territorial or economic expansion.", since we're obviously speaking about a territorial expansion and not an economic one here, one recognizes then that in order for Israel to be called "expansionist" it would have to expand its territory in a manner of practice or policy.

Now, your claims for expansion are the inner-expansion of the settlements (as pointed out in your articles).
However, inner expansion such as building new houses is not considered to be a territorial expansion, as the settlements do not expand beyond their already existing boundaries.

Since no new territory has been gained for the Israeli state in recent years, and the only time when the term expansion (and not expansionist) is tied with Israel is during the building of houses and buildings within already existing settlements, something that Israel has frozen not long ago, we arrive at the only rational conclusion, that is that Israel is not taking any expansionist policy and hence is not an expansionist state.

Calling it something that it isn't isn't going to change things on the ground.
 
So you're speaking about the Israeli settlements in the West bank.

As the definition of the term 'expansionism' is "A nation's practice or policy of territorial or economic expansion.", since we're obviously speaking about a territorial expansion and not an economic one here, one recognizes then that in order for Israel to be called "expansionist" it would have to expand its territory in a manner of practice or policy.

Now, your claims for expansion are the inner-expansion of the settlements (as pointed out in your articles).
However, inner expansion such as building new houses is not considered to be a territorial expansion, as the settlements do not expand beyond their already existing boundaries.

Since no new territory has been gained for the Israeli state in recent years, and the only time when the term expansion (and not expansionist) is tied with Israel is during the building of houses and buildings within already existing settlements, something that Israel has frozen not long ago, we arrive at the only rational conclusion, that is that Israel is not taking any expansionist policy and hence is not an expansionist state.

Calling it something that it isn't isn't going to change things on the ground.

Thanks for you opinion!
 
Israel's main early supporters were the French and (at first, rather surprisingly) the Soviets. We didn't start the kind of relationship that we have now with them until post-1967. As I believe has been pointed out to you many times. Since 1967, Israel has conquered no new territory, and has even left large segments of its' own territory open to a population dedicated to her own destruction. Since Israel owns the territory that you are claiming she is expanding into, your charge is moot.
 
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Israel's main early supporters were the French and (at first, rather surprisingly) the Soviets. We didn't start the kind of relationship that we have now with them until post-1967. As I believe has been pointed out to you many times. Since 1967, Israel has conquered no new territory, and has even left large segments of its' own territory open to a population dedicated to her own destruction. Since Israel owns the territory that you are claiming she is expanding into, your charge is moot.

Israel most certainly does not own the West Bank or the Gaza Strip, and I would appreciate it if you kept falsifications out of your arguments.

Occupation != Ownership
 
Israel's main early supporters were the French and (at first, rather surprisingly) the Soviets. We didn't start the kind of relationship that we have now with them until post-1967. As I believe has been pointed out to you many times. Since 1967, Israel has conquered no new territory, and has even left large segments of its' own territory open to a population dedicated to her own destruction. Since Israel owns the territory that you are claiming she is expanding into, your charge is moot.

"Israeli settlements are Israeli civilian communities in the Israeli-occupied territories (lands that were captured from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War).[1] Such settlements currently exist in the West Bank,[2] East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. The latter two areas are governed under Israeli civil law but are considered to be under military occupation by the international community."
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement]Israeli settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

"Fact: George Bush and his administration were opposed to the construction of Israel's security fence, and had threatened to penalize Israel for constructing the fence. Echoing many other Jewish and secular press articles, one press report noted in 2003 that "the Bush administration ... has been pressuring Israel about its fence because the barrier veers over the 'green line,' the old 1949 armistice line, to encompass at least two large West Bank settlements. The administration has said it may deduct what Israel spends on the fence from loan guarantees. ... 'We have made it clear that the fence... is a problem,' Secretary of State Colin Powell told The Washington Post [in October], in language that has been echoed by Bush" (The Forward, October 10, 2003)."
Election 2004: George Bush and Israel—The Record: “Far From Perfect” | NJDC

"Portugal sent a letter to its European Union partners on Monday urging them to pressure Israel into refraining from further expansion of its West Bank settlements."
Portugal urges EU to pressure Israel over settlement expansion - Haaretz - Israel News
 
The recent terrorist attempt in the US and other attacks around the world should surprise no one.


Sen. Fritz Hollings
Former South Carolina Senator ~

Creating Terrorists


"On 9/11, Afghanistan and the Swat Valley in Pakistan were peaceful. We ran Osama bin Laden into the Swat Valley and now have ended up shooting lethal missiles from drones into villages, killing civilians, turning a peaceful valley into chaos, and causing two million refugees to flee. Refugee camps are hotbeds for energizing militancy, insurgency, and Al Qaeda. How do the Secretary and generals think one creates a terrorist?

Exactly the way my friend, Vice President Biden, suggests. Stay off-shore and lob artillery into the Valley, or with drones lob missiles into supposed militants' homes. You hit a home in my neighborhood and you've got a militant. I've become a believer in Osama -- a terrorist. Osama said the U. S. was engaged in a Crusade against Islam. Now, the U. S. deployed in Kuwait, having invaded Iraq, invading Afghanistan, and invading Pakistan, I'm a believer. Here I am peacefully reading my Koran and missiles from the United States hit my neighbor. You've got a militant. Come hell or high water I'm going to get you one way or the other. Yes, even learn to fly -- and kill myself to destroy your World Trade Towers."

Sen. Fritz Hollings: Creating Terrorism

July 31, 2008 - "The Rand Corporation, a conservative think-tank originally started by the U.S. Air Force, has produced a new report entitled, "How Terrorist Groups End - Lessons for Countering al Qaida."

"the study concludes that the "war on terrorism" has been a failure...."

"And, why is this so? Because, Rand concludes, after studying 648 terrorist groups between 1968 and 2006, that military operations against such groups are among the least effective means of success, achieving the desired effect in only 7% of the cases. As Rand explains, "[a]gainst most terrorist groups . . . military force is usually too blunt an instrument." Moreover, "[t]he use of substantial U.S. military power against terror groups also runs a significant risk of turning the local population against the government by killing civilians."

"As the Rand Corporation predicts in such circumstances, this has only led to an increase in popular support for those resisting the U.S. military onslaught. In short, the war is counterproductive."

"In the end, Rand concludes that the U.S. should rely much more on local military forces to police their own countries, and that this "means a light U.S. military footprint or none at all."

Dan Kovalik: Rand Corp -- War On Terrorism Is A Failure

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Perhaps the western powers will never learn from the passed.
It probably all began with the end of colonialism in which the indigenous Arabs were left to wallow in their own politically primitive aspirations that were, no doubt ,transmitted into their educational systems. Educating their younger generations should be under strict supervision.
The same thing should be said for the Palestinians. Why is it that no one dares tackle the hatred in their educational system? Surly that would solve much of the problem
 
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Perhaps the western powers will never learn from the passed.
It probably all began with the end of colonialism in which the indigenous Arabs were left to wallow in their own politically primitive aspirations that were, no doubt ,transmitted into their educational systems. Educating their younger generations should be under strict supervision.
The same thing should be said for the Palestinians. Why is it that no one dares tackle the hatred in their educational system? Surly that would solve much of the problem

We have not tackled that probably because we have been too busy with invasion, killing those that resist us, regime change, 7 years of occupation, and the new Iraqi oil law in a country that never attacked us. That is where we put most of our resources.

After we get that wrapped up, perhaps we can forbid their teaching of history of Western imperialism.
 
We have not tackled that probably because we have been too busy with invasion, killing those that resist us, regime change, 7 years of occupation, and the new Iraqi oil law in a country that never attacked us. That is where we put most of our resources.

After we get that wrapped up, perhaps we can forbid their teaching of history of Western imperialism.
Thank you for your opinion!
 
We don't create terrorists, America is not some evil imperialist nation like the Middle East wants to paint it. Terrorists are created for several reasons, most are because of fundamental Islam, some are because of Shi'ite prophecies that say America and Israel must be destroyed before the apocalypse can happen (this is Iran's stance), and others do it because they simply hate the west mainly for being prosperous and not Islamic. There was no Iraqi or Afghani occupation when the twin towers were hit on 9/11, they are just simply full of hate. We don't create them, we remove them.
 
Thank you for your opinion!

Which part do you question the validity of? The invasion, killing of those that resisted us, our 7 years of occupation, regime change, the new Iraqi oil law, or the fact that we have put more money and troops in a country that didn't attack us than we did going after the terrorists of 9/11?

I will be happy to provide documentation to back up my claims, if I have not already done so previously in this thread.
 
We don't create terrorists, America is not some evil imperialist nation like the Middle East wants to paint it. Terrorists are created for several reasons, most are because of fundamental Islam, some are because of Shi'ite prophecies that say America and Israel must be destroyed before the apocalypse can happen (this is Iran's stance), and others do it because they simply hate the west mainly for being prosperous and not Islamic. There was no Iraqi or Afghani occupation when the twin towers were hit on 9/11, they are just simply full of hate. We don't create them, we remove them.

Our bombing and killing innocent civilians and occupying their lands does not bother them in the least is your contention? Why do you think unlike any other people on the planet, that they would not defend their borders?

Is that against their religion?

If they are just evil, why did they not attack our mainland until we attacked theirs?
 
Our bombing and killing innocent civilians and occupying their lands does not bother them in the least is your contention? Why do you think unlike any other people on the planet, that they would not defend their borders?

Is that against their religion?

If the Muslims don't want us occupying their land, then maybe they should think twice before attacking us. In addition, I don't know what planet you live on, but we don't ever deliberately target and kill innocents unlike Muslims and, as a matter of fact, the vast majority of Muslims that have been killed in both Iraq and Afghanistan has been killed by other Muslims.

However, I agree with you, we should get out of both Iraq and Afghanistan ASAP, because both nation building missions are incredibly fantasy-based, since neither does poverty and despair have anything to do with the reasons Muslims attack non-Muslims but it is also literally impossible for kafir infidels to win the hearts and minds of Muslims who are obligated per their religion to hate our guts no matter what we do for them. Indeed, when we were bombed on 9/11, we should have learned our lesson that helping Muslims only makes them hate us more.

Thus, in Afghanistan Bush should have targeted and eradicated OBL and AQ ONLY, then gone home ASAP instead of jumping in the middle of a civil war, and in Iraq, as soon as the country was scoured for WMD and Saddam was captured, we should have gone home right away, while hoping the gigantic vacuum we left behind would have erupted into a civil war between Sunni and Shi'a that would have drawn in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Then when Iran was preoccupied with attempting to impose itself upon Iraq, we should have attacked Iran and eradicated the ruling Mullahs.

Hell, we also need to eradicate Iran's poodle Syria, and the House of Saud, the biggest proliferators of the jihad ideology in the world, needs to be obliterated once and for all as well. Without the House of Saud, there will be far less jihad in the world, and I'm not talking about the violent kind, but the non-violent kind!

Now with respect to occupying Muslim countries and doing endless fantasy based nation building missions in Islamic lands to idiotically attempt to lift them out of poverty and win the hearts and minds of Muslims who are obligated by Islam to hate our guts no matter what, I couldn't agree with you more. Let the Fooken Muslims tear out each others throats for all I care, as I could care less who emerges to take the place of the Muslim leaders we eradicate, as long as they understand that if they continue to proliferate jihad they will be summarily eradicated.

If they are just evil, why did they not attack our mainland until we attacked theirs?

Again...I must ask you what planet do you live on, because it is clearly not the same one I live on?
 
Israel most certainly does not own the West Bank or the Gaza Strip, and I would appreciate it if you kept falsifications out of your arguments.

Occupation != Ownership

um, yes, it does. possession is 9/10's of the law, and at the end of the day, what happens in the West Bank (they have withdrawn from Gaza) is up to Israel.
 
"Israeli settlements are Israeli civilian communities in the Israeli-occupied territories (lands that were captured from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War).[1] Such settlements currently exist in the West Bank,[2] East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. The latter two areas are governed under Israeli civil law but are considered to be under military occupation by the international community."
Israeli settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Fact: George Bush and his administration were opposed to the construction of Israel's security fence, and had threatened to penalize Israel for constructing the fence. Echoing many other Jewish and secular press articles, one press report noted in 2003 that "the Bush administration ... has been pressuring Israel about its fence because the barrier veers over the 'green line,' the old 1949 armistice line, to encompass at least two large West Bank settlements. The administration has said it may deduct what Israel spends on the fence from loan guarantees. ... 'We have made it clear that the fence... is a problem,' Secretary of State Colin Powell told The Washington Post [in October], in language that has been echoed by Bush" (The Forward, October 10, 2003)."
Election 2004: George Bush and Israel—The Record: “Far From Perfect” | NJDC

"Portugal sent a letter to its European Union partners on Monday urging them to pressure Israel into refraining from further expansion of its West Bank settlements."
Portugal urges EU to pressure Israel over settlement expansion - Haaretz - Israel News

so.... to sum up, your counterargument is that other people are equally mistaken?
 
We don't create terrorists, America is not some evil imperialist nation like the Middle East wants to paint it. Terrorists are created for several reasons, most are because of fundamental Islam, some are because of Shi'ite prophecies that say America and Israel must be destroyed before the apocalypse can happen (this is Iran's stance), and others do it because they simply hate the west mainly for being prosperous and not Islamic.

Islamist Fundamentalism - and the acts of violence it often motivates - is one of the most headline-grabbing issues our day. Thus it is no surprise that academics, journalists, and politicians seek out “the reason” for why such a destructive ideology can gain sway over such large populations. In discussing its genesis and reach, most focus on the history of Western Imperialism to explain its rise, and poverty to explain its appeal. A typical approach is found in the reading from Mehran Kamrava: “At least among a significant segment of the population hopelessness and despair abound. Add to this the crushing poverty that pervades most urban centers and a fertile breeding ground emerges for extremist ideologies and movements”, and the “primary fuel for this Islamic fundamentalism has been poverty.” Poverty certainly plays an important role in providing many of the recruits for Islamist Fundamentalist movements, but that in and of itself is insufficient. There is nothing to explain why, a generation ago, “poverty” led to Nationalism, why the wealth-producing free market is decried, or why Communism as an operating system never really took hold.

Others claim an inherently religious background. Islam is seen as a violent faith whose origins are rooted in the concept of Holy War to fulfill an expansionist totalitarian goal. Although he himself does not espouse this theory, eminent Middle Eastern historian Bernard Lewis provides the beginning of the argument by quoting the relevant hadith: Jihad is your duty under any ruler…He who dies without having taken part in a campaign dies in a kind of unbelief...A day and a night of fighting on the frontier is better than a month of fasting or prayer. Moreover, he argues that, while the Crusade is a relatively late development in Christian theology, Jihad has meant a military campaign for most of Islam’s recorded history. Islamist Fundamentalism is thus a misnomer; these groups are simply following the true tenets of their faith in a historically recognizable manner. Observers point to the language, the leadership of the Iranian revolution, and the emphasis on martyrdom to defend this thesis.

Both are overly simplistic. Islamist Fundamentalism has expressed itself over a wide variability of movements and through a large range of means; a similar mosaic is needed to describe its genesis and continuation.

First, the background: Islam’s meteoric rise in her first few centuries of existence naturally led to a confident theological world view. Muslims explained the speed and expanse of their conquest as Gods’ favor toward the community He had entrusted as the sole custodians of His Truth. As He had commanded them to spread it over the entire globe; they could no more fail than could He. Christianity, in contrast, was established largely under the assumption that its members would be periodically persecuted by the state. In situations where another, hostile, force is dominant they have a clear and available lens to interpret the world and their role in it. Muslims have no such theological fall-back position, and the rise of the West - and its subsequent conquest of the lands of Islam - has thrown its inhabitants into a form of cultural cognitive dissonance. Humiliation, shame, and anger fuse with each other in attempting to explain How This Could Be. The result is a Napoleonic inferiority complex. This expresses itself in a number of ways.

The most obvious is the reach to selectively redefine the world around them. It is worth noting that the one area in which both official “state” and “popular” nationalistic expressions agree in the Middle East is in the speed with which they spread and accept conspiracy theories to explain national deficiencies. Misdeeds by members of the Arab community are often ignored or even blamed on the West. When Syria crushed the city of Hama in 1992 (killing an estimated 10,000-25,000 people to put down an Islamist-inspired revolt), the general response was comparatively muted. Mere months later, the slaughter of 700-800 Palestinian refugees by Maronite allies of Israel provoked shocked and widespread condemnation of Israel, and the West was blamed for both disasters. The Organization of Islamic Countries (OIC) is relatively uninterested in brutal civil wars or repressions within its member-states (Iraq, Sudan, Syria, Somalia), and instead prefers to focus only on the human rights of Muslims living in non-Islamic states, such as Palestinians in Israel. Even actions by allies cannot be decried; when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, an Islamic country, the response from the nationalist / militarist nation-states was muted at best. Some states (including the Palestinian Liberation Organization) even defended the move. For that matter, the alliance with the Soviet Union demonstrates the need to restructure and redefine history. The USSR was no natural ally of the Arabs, as it played a significant role in ensuring that the United Nations General Assembly would vote to establish Israel, was among the first of foreign governments to grant it recognition, and authorized its satellites to sell Israel weaponry. What provided the popular support for Egypt, Syria, et. al. allying with the USSR was the perception that this would give the hated West a black eye. Anything was defendable so long as it revenged the humiliation and relieved the pressure of inferiority.

Even former enemies could become purified through their opposition to the West. Saddam Hussein’s initial invasion of Kuwait prompted Osama bin Laden to extend an offer to the Saudi royal family to place his organization at their service – to fight Saddam. Their rejection and Saddam’s opposition to the United States, however, turned the tables and by 1998 in his Declaration of the World Islamic Front for Jihad against the Jews and Crusaders bin Laden was describing the American actions in Iraq as “aggression.” The ideological necessity of opposing the West (and the US in particular) required that Osama decry them for undertaking the same mission that he himself had earlier offered to do. For those suffering most intently from this condition, acts of violence in service of a selective reality became an instrument of self-expression, a means of relieving the pressure stemming from the anger towards a world not obedient to ones’ world view.
 
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so.... to sum up, your counterargument is that other people are equally mistaken?

I've documented that the International community, including the US, considers Israel to be occupying Palestinian territory.

To date, you have only presented your opinion to the contrary.
 
um, yes, it does. possession is 9/10's of the law, and at the end of the day, what happens in the West Bank (they have withdrawn from Gaza) is up to Israel.

So if I beat you up and steal you car, it's rightfully mine because I am in possession of it? Is that the kind of ethics you bring to the discussion?

Might makes right?
 
I've documented that the International community, including the US, considers Israel to be occupying Palestinian territory.

Without looking at your so-called idiotic and extremely naive documentation, you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine, as anyone who has followed Israel for years like I have already knows your so-called documentation is a crock of crap, not to mention that the international community has exactly zero authority inside the sovereign state of Israel, and with respect to Barrack Insane Obama, he has already demonstrated that he is a certified and bona fide loon and Muslim apologist. You obviously have had your ignorance's with respect to Israel and the Jews exploited to the hilt. Not to mention that regardless of you and that loon Obama, the majority of Americans are clearly on the side of Israel

Nevertheless, what is going on with respect to Israel is the Dar al Islam has been waging a genocidal jihad against Israel and that jihad just like all the many other jihads the Dar al Islam are also simultaneously waging around the world in many other locations around the world besides the jihad against Israel is permanent. As a matter of fact, Israel could give all of Judea and Samaria plus three quarters of Israel proper up in an attempt to pacify the Dar al Islam and it would still not stop the Dar al Islam from pursuing its genocidal jihad against the tiny infidel state of Israel, as their jihad against Israel will continue until such time as Israel either gets destroyed and the Jews annihilated or otherwise until the Muslim ummah becomes too weak to pursue jihad.

Furthermore, the so-called Palestinians are nothing but the proxies of the Dar al Islam that were created out of whole cloth after the 1967 Six Day War as a means of continuing their permanent jihad, after the Dar al Islam lost another illegal war of aggression against the infidel state of Israel.

For instance, Zuheir Moshen, former defense minister of Syria and PLO member had this to say about the so-called Palestinians in 1977 to the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."


You Israel haters and Johnny come lately's really ought to study history and study the texts and tenants of Islam before you stake out a position that is so detrimental to your own well-being. Indeed, you can gobble up all the hate propaganda that the left puts out meant to vilify and demonize the Jewish State of Israel to your hearts desire, but other people like me and many others, who have been following the Dar al Islam's jihad against Israel for more than just a few years, already forgot more about the jihad than you will ever come close to knowing.

Now, if you had said that as for as the international left is concerned, Israel and the Jews should be sacrificed to attempt to appease and pacify the Muslims, then you would be stating the truth, but you obviously don't have the first clue about what you are talking about and that is the only thing you documented.
 
So if I beat you up and steal you car, it's rightfully mine because I am in possession of it? Is that the kind of ethics you bring to the discussion?

Might makes right?

Damn...study history! Your analogy is more than a little asinine. Israel was the victim of an illegal war of aggression in 1967 and in the process of defending itself from the Dar al Islam's aggression, which in this case consisted of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, with the full support of the entire international Muslim ummah, Israel captured Judea, Samaria, the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, and the Sinai, and territory captured by Israel during the course of that defensive war belongs to Israel after the war, per the long established international law of nations, which was a law designed specifically to discourage stronger and more aggressive countries from attacking weaker countries for the purpose of territorial expansion.

It is also the reason why despite much Arab protest and an eventual Arab walk out, the UN Security Council in 1967 didn't force Israel to give back the land it had captured, but instead suggested, per UN 242, that Israel trade land for peace. However, the Dar al Islam would have none of it and instead met in Khartoum to pass the three Nos: no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no peace with Israel.

Indeed, even if the Dar al Islam's illegal war of aggression had been successful in annihilating the Jewish state in 1967, it still nonetheless would have been illegal. In any event, the Dar al Islam doesn't recognize or adhere to international law, as they recognize and adhere only to Islamic Sharia Law, since they believe that international law is man-made and thus illegitimate.

However, they are not below accusing Israel of breaking international law every chance they get at the same time that they also don't even recognize it and in fact make a mockery of international law via terrorism all the time. Damn...some of you guys are more than just a little gullible and loose with the facts.
 
I've documented that the International community, including the US, considers Israel to be occupying Palestinian territory.

:lol: alright. What palestinian state did they invade to get it?
 
So if I beat you up and steal you car, it's rightfully mine because I am in possession of it?

until I can prove that you wrongfully took my car, and that that car in particular is my car, yes. don't believe me? call the police and see if you can get them to impound your neighbors car off of your mere word.

however, in this case, Israel took land from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, all of which tried to wipe her off the face of the planet. Egypt sued for peace, and got it and their land back. Jordan didn't want her former land back (the populace there was more than a little troublesome), and Syria has yet to sue for peace.
 
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