Creating Terrorists, Why do we continue to do it?

[Degreez]

um, yes, it does. possession is 9/10's of the law, and at the end of the day, what happens in the West Bank (they have withdrawn from Gaza) is up to Israel.

Possession is 9/10's of which law? You referencing any particular law here, or just using an expression that means absolutely nothing when referencing international law and occupation.

Since, occupation = ownership in your eyes:

America still "owns" Iraq and is free to do what it wants with it. Ethiopia's occupation of parts of Somalia now gives them a right to annex and do what they want with the land, all according to the 9/10's possession law. In fact, Hitler referenced that same law when he negotiated with Neville Chamberlain. 'Sorry Poland, you can't be independent, Hitler is going to invade and take control and you have to let him because occupation equals ownership after all.'

 

[Catawba]

Without looking at your so-called idiotic and extremely naive documentation....blah....blah....blah.

Damn...study history!....Blah....Blah....Blah

Thank you both for your opinions!

 

[Catawba]

:lol: alright. What palestinian state did they invade to get it?

I've already shown that here.

 

[cpwill]

I've already shown that here.

:lol: you are aware that no, you didn't - that none of those sources cite a palestinian state from which Israel was removing land? (because one has never existed prior to ISRAEL deciding to help create one?)


in 1967 Israel took land from Jordan; which claimed the West Bank as it's territory.

 

[H E McPeters]

The Madrassas (muslim schools) create most terrorists by brain-washing them from an early age!

 

[Catawba]

:lol: you are aware that no, you didn't - that none of those sources cite a palestinian state from which Israel was removing land? (because one has never existed prior to ISRAEL deciding to help create one?)


in 1967 Israel took land from Jordan; which claimed the West Bank as it's territory.

I see, we are back to your possession is 9/10 of the law theory.

Best of luck with that!

 

[Catawba]

The Madrassas (muslim schools) create most terrorists by brain-washing them from an early age!

And we provide the lesson plans, newsreels of US invasion and occupation of a country that did not attack us or have any means to attack us.

 

[Catawba]

The Madrassas (muslim schools) create most terrorists by brain-washing them from an early age!

And we provide the lesson plans, newsreels of US invasion and a 7 year occupation of a country that did not attack us or have any means to attack us.

 

[Gardener]

And we provide the lesson plans, newsreels of US invasion and a 7 year occupation of a country that did not attack us or have any means to attack us.

Are you actually under the impression that there were none of these Madrassas before 1993?

Your understanding of causality is terribly flawed if you think the cause comes after the effect and the effect precipitates the cause.

 

[justabubba]

Are you actually under the impression that there were none of these Madrassas before 1993?

Your understanding of causality is terribly flawed if you think the cause comes after the effect and the effect precipitates the cause.

i missed cat's post where he asserted a belief that mandrassas were non-existent before 1993. would you please block and paste it for me to be able to see that purported assertion

 

[Gardener]

i missed cat's post where he asserted a belief that mandrassas were non-existent before 1993. would you please block and paste it for me to be able to see that purported assertion

They would HAVE to be nonexistant before 1993 if his argument were to have any merit.

Obviously.

 

[justabubba]

They would HAVE to be nonexistant before 1993 if his argument were to have any merit.

Obviously.

so then, there is NO post where cat insisted the mandrassas did not exist prior to 1993. you just made that crap up

 

[Gardener]

so then, there is NO post where cat insisted the mandrassas did not exist prior to 1993. you just made that crap up

Basic logic is just too far beyond your capabilities here for me to consider responding further.

Have at it.

 

[Apocalypse]

They would HAVE to be nonexistant before 1993 if his argument were to have any merit.

Obviously.

Yes but I don't think that having a merit was the purpose of his argument.

He was just giving his own reason as to why he believes that the most advanced civilized nation in the world that has pretty much invented modern morality is on the same level as the Muslim propagandist teachers that indoctrinate their children to become terrorists for their precious "Islamic cause".

 

[justabubba]

you would want to ignore the reality that inappropriate American intervention in middle eastern affairs, and disproportionate support of things israeli predated 1993
as cat has expressed, by our nation's actions, we have given the islamic extremists the material to use to propagandize against us - not exclusively inside mandrassas but certainly not to exclude them
you are entitled to piss and moan that reality is not aligned with what you would want things to be. but quit making crap up; it debases what is remaining of your credibility

 

[Apocalypse]

you would want to ignore the reality that inappropriate American intervention in middle eastern affairs, and disproportionate support of things israeli predated 1993
as cat has expressed, by our nation's actions, we have given the islamic extremists the material to use to propagandize against us - not exclusively inside mandrassas but certainly not to exclude them
you are entitled to piss and moan that reality is not aligned with what you would want things to be. but quit making crap up; it debases what is remaining of your credibility

Your credibility is non-existent.

 

[Tashah]

Moderator's Warning:

justa/Apoc... the little feud stops here.

 

[Catawba]

Are you actually under the impression that there were none of these Madrassas before 1993?

Your understanding of causality is terribly flawed if you think the cause comes after the effect and the effect precipitates the cause.

I said no such thing.

 

[Catawba]

They would HAVE to be nonexistant before 1993 if his argument were to have any merit.

Why?????????

 

[Karl Rove]

you would want to ignore the reality that inappropriate American intervention in middle eastern affairs, and disproportionate support of things israeli predated 1993
as cat has expressed, by our nation's actions, we have given the islamic extremists the material to use to propagandize against us - not exclusively inside mandrassas but certainly not to exclude them
you are entitled to piss and moan that reality is not aligned with what you would want things to be. but quit making crap up; it debases what is remaining of your credibility

Speaking of dreaming things up, dude not only is it obvious that you are exceedingly self loathing and that your moral compass is seriously out of calibration, but Muslims don't need any excuse to attack us, Israel, or any other non-Muslim kafir infidels, for that matter, as they are doing around the world every day and as the following Koranic verses should more than make perfectly clear:

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

The reason that Muslims today are attacking us, Israelis, and non-Muslim kafir infidels all around the world every day doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with your unhinged hatred of America and Israel, since conquering the world to make Allah's religion supreme throughout the world is the highest mandate of Islam. Indeed, it is the entire underlying purpose of that unholy religion. Yet, you are playing right into their hands by vilifying and demonizing America and Israel. Give me a break!

 

[Catawba]

Speaking of dreaming things up, dude not only is it obvious that you are exceedingly self loathing and that your moral compass is seriously out of calibration, but Muslims don't need any excuse to attack us, Israel, or any other non-Muslim kafir infidels, for that matter, as they are doing around the world every day and as the following Koranic verses should more than make perfectly clear:

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

The reason that Muslims today are attacking us, Israelis, and non-Muslim kafir infidels all around the world every day doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with your unhinged hatred of America and Israel, since conquering the world to make Allah's religion supreme throughout the world is the highest mandate of Islam. Indeed, it is the entire underlying purpose of that unholy religion. Yet, you are playing right into their hands by vilifying and demonizing America and Israel. Give me a break!

We know what the conservative interpretation of the Koran is. That hasn't changed since it was written. What we are getting at is the reason for the relatively recent support for that radical interpretation in larger and larger numbers since our military intervention in the Middle East.

 

[washunut]

We know what the conservative interpretation of the Koran is. That hasn't changed since it was written. What we are getting at is the reason for the relatively recent support for that radical interpretation in larger and larger numbers since our military intervention in the Middle East.

Perhaps you want to start with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

 

[Karl Rove]

We know what the conservative interpretation of the Koran is. That hasn't changed since it was written. What we are getting at is the reason for the relatively recent support for that radical interpretation in larger and larger numbers since our military intervention in the Middle East.

Why don't you make my day and supply a link to a different interpretation? You know why, because there are no other competing interpretations. Indeed, many people have been searching high and low forever for such competing interpretations that they then could leverage against the imaginary extremists, but just like the existence of the so-called moderates is a myth, those supposed competing interpretations are also a myth as well, because there are none. After all the message emanates directly from God. Therefore, it is absolutely perfect.

Moreover, the above referenced verses are actual verbatim quotes of Koranic verses, and their meaning is unequivocal. Not to mention that the Koran is considered to contain the uncreated word of Allah as delivered by Muhammad, Allah's final messenger, whose message supersedes all prophets before him and whose message also is considered to be perfect, since it is the direct word of God as God is perfect and immutable because Muhammad was also Allah's final messenger.

Thus, any Muslim trying to change the meaning of the above referenced verses in any way whatsoever would instantly be recognized by other Muslims as a blasphemer, and the prescribed penalty for blasphemy in Islam, just like it is for apostasy, is death by execution, as the freedom of conscience in Islam is harem (forbidden).

Indeed, besides being extremely self-hating, anti-American, and anti-Jew, you also don't have a clue.

 

[Catawba]

Perhaps you want to start with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The starting place chronologically would be our financial support of Israel beginning in 1948.

 

[Catawba]

Why don't you make my day and supply a link to a different interpretation? You know why, because there are no other competing interpretations. Indeed, many people have been searching high and low forever for such competing interpretations that they then could leverage against the imaginary extremists, but just like the existence of the so-called moderates is a myth, those supposed competing interpretations are also a myth as well, because there are none. After all the message emanates directly from God. Therefore, it is absolutely perfect.

Moreover, the above referenced verses are actual verbatim quotes of Koranic verses, and their meaning is unequivocal. Not to mention that the Koran is considered to contain the uncreated word of Allah as delivered by Muhammad, Allah's final messenger, whose message supersedes all prophets before him and whose message also is considered to be perfect, since it is the direct word of God as God is perfect and immutable because Muhammad was also Allah's final messenger.

Thus, any Muslim trying to change the meaning of the above referenced verses in any way whatsoever would instantly be recognized by other Muslims as a blasphemer, and the prescribed penalty for blasphemy in Islam, just like it is for apostasy, is death by execution, as the freedom of conscience in Islam is harem (forbidden).

Indeed, besides being extremely self-hating, anti-American, and anti-Jew, you also don't have a clue.

Your insults are noted.

The evidence against your theory is that we only have a few thousand radical Muslims we are fighting rather than the 1.3 billion world wide. The only danger for the West, is that we try to turn this into a holy war against all Muslims as you are suggesting.

Since we, the most powerful military force on the planet, have been unable to win a war, for nine years now, against just a few thousand terrorists, think about what it would mean if all 1.3 billion Muslims decide to join the terrorists ranks.