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Haha.
"Please Mr. Chambers! It's a recipe book"
I've never seen that before.
We need to find ways to hook into the universe's natrual gravity lines when they connect in a perfect connect the dot's type of way and then find a way to somehow "change" the vessal so that it rather be at the furthest gravity point we wish.
I think if you are trying to apply our definition of "life" to the Universe then you surely don't understand the vastness, and baffling complexities of the Universe (I sure as hell don't).
I am guessing you suggest that these things live in the same dimensions as us. That on their homeworld they are subject to gravitational limits. That their planet rotates on a similar plan as ours, so that they have a similar idea of time and space, or that they even have any idea of time or space, or that they have any ideas to begin with.
Let me know when you have a working model.
The universe is indeed infinite, but infinities come in different sizes. For instance, the intergers are countably infinite, as are the rational numbers, which are composed of two integers, one in the numerator and one in the denominator. The real numbers are uncountably infinite. But they are far from being the set with the largest measure.
The point is, "infinite" is not just a catch-all term that means "anything can happen." This is a mistake that Nietzche made in his otherwise-excellent book, Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Nietzche thought that infinity implied that once something had happened, it would eventually happen again, or its exact opposite would happen. No, infinity isn't generally that big.
So, a word of warning: Just because the universe is infinite doesn't mean that you can spin the most fanciful of scenarios and just assume that "infinite" implies that your scenario exists somewhere. The universe is a big place, but it is not as big as the space between your ears. That space contains things that will never occur anywhere in the universe.
I am guessing you suggest that these things live in the same dimensions as us. That on their homeworld they are subject to gravitational limits. That their planet rotates on a similar plan as ours, so that they have a similar idea of time and space, or that they even have any idea of time or space, or that they have any ideas to begin with.
I do not entirely understand why my post was quoted. Not once did I use the term "infinity", as I believe using the world infinity is overly underestimating the Universe (humans do not have a clue to the true ambiguity and size of the Universe).
I think before one speculates about the Universe they need to ignore their own understanding of life, as it will not lead to any insight. All I'm trying to say.
That's true - you did not use the word "infinite." But your argument is common to people who cite the term "infinite universe" to support just about any scenario, no matter how fantastic.
The point I was making is that the assumptions you deride - gravitation, elliptical orbits, space and time - are not unreasonable. In fact, it's accepted that these things are consistent throughout the universe.
Your point, that we do not want to be too parochial in our thinking, is well-taken, but let us not let our imaginations run away with us either. Maybe there are aliens with "hyperintelligence," whatever that means, but humans aren't complete idiots either. We actually know a lot about astrophysics. To claim that we "don't have a clue" is to jettison a lot of hard-earned knowledge and replace it with pure speculation.
If nothing else, we should be able to agree that this discussion can be tethered to basic concepts like gravity. No?
If Aliens are met in Washington DC, by Republicans, they will be hostile and we will face a spaced War.
If Aliens are met in Washington DC, by Democrats, there will be peace, popcorn, hamburger, and Nachos. We will learn to straighten out all terrible problems caused by the eight horrible years of George and Dick.
:2razz: :lol:
Call me a pessimist, but in my speculative opinion:
The most likely thing to happen will be that they consider us uninteresting and completely ignore us.
The second most likely thing is that they will consider us or our planet a natural resource of some kind and will take possession of whatever they need. We will be to them as the members of the animal kingdom are to us.
The third and least most likely thing will be that they find us interesting after all, will respect our life and become benevolent friends.If you consider our attitude toward life forms that are below us in the natural order, and consider our position below aliens in the natural order, my conclusions are compelling. We naturally conclude that the experience of animals in this existence is insignificant compared to our own, and aliens will most likely conclude the same when comparing theirs to ours.
I think that this was a great post...
Except for the "least most likely". :2razz:
Looking at all living creatures on our own planet almost everything alive attacks and kills. (Even many plants somehow developed different defense mechanisms). So it is my belief that the highest probability is that aliens wont be a bit friendly.
Likely not in our lifetime but future generations may see this as a reality.
I would like to hear if it's yes or no or we are alone from you and logical reasons.
The aliens I have met have been friendly, but they are getting pretty uppity as a group. Demanding our wealth, our services and our citizenship.
Protesting en masse in our streets with our Stars and Bars flying upside down and underneath foreign flags.
So... friendly or not; I don't know how to categorize these aliens. They seem to fit into two categories: Individually they seem tame, but as a group they behave exactly like... American Socialists... Liberals... Democrats.
Which brings us to the next question on the philosophical train:
Are Liberals aliens too?
I would say yes, and with that it answers your question.
Individually you can sit at the dinner table with them and give them metal utensils without fearing your life will be in jeopardy. They cause no harm when isolated.
As a group... aliens are hostile and irrational.
Example would be a alien AI system that wiped out its creators and found us one day and was hell bent on subjugating all biolife.
Do you ever turn your partisan bull**** switch off? :shock:The aliens I have met have been friendly, but they are getting pretty uppity as a group. Demanding our wealth, our services and our citizenship.
Protesting en masse in our streets with our Stars and Bars flying upside down and underneath foreign flags.
So... friendly or not; I don't know how to categorize these aliens. They seem to fit into two categories: Individually they seem tame, but as a group they behave exactly like... American Socialists... Liberals... Democrats.
Which brings us to the next question on the philosophical train:
Are Liberals aliens too?
I would say yes, and with that it answers your question.
Individually you can sit at the dinner table with them and give them metal utensils without fearing your life will be in jeopardy. They cause no harm when isolated.
As a group... aliens are hostile and irrational.
hey, changing the name of the post is Monk-eye's schtickAre the Humans Warlike?
or maybe the natural resource necessary for easy space travel has already been completely mined prior to our achieving any kind of modern intelligenceAliens are definitely hostile.
Look at the damage the Democrats have done so far.
On another note, the mere fact that this planet has abundant quantities of coal, petroleum, various metal ores, and other natural resources is a very strong indication that no space faring species has visited this planet since life crawled onto land.
Do you ever turn your partisan bull**** switch off? :shock:
The aliens I have met have been friendly, but they are getting pretty uppity as a group. Demanding our wealth, our services and our citizenship.
Protesting en masse in our streets with our Stars and Bars flying upside down and underneath foreign flags.
So... friendly or not; I don't know how to categorize these aliens. They seem to fit into two categories: Individually they seem tame, but as a group they behave exactly like... American Socialists... Liberals... Democrats.
Which brings us to the next question on the philosophical train:
Are Liberals aliens too?
I would say yes, and with that it answers your question.
Individually you can sit at the dinner table with them and give them metal utensils without fearing your life will be in jeopardy. They cause no harm when isolated.
As a group... aliens are hostile and irrational.
I switched it to illegal aliens...
Do they give green cards to space aliens?
Good question.
If the majority vote D, are poorly educated and like free goodies... I'm sure it's no problem.