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What happens once all abortions are made illegal in this country?

Hello My Son said:
There will be a shift to a significant majority of Americans supporting a Constitutional amendment guaranteeing basic minimal abortion rights like it should've been handled to begin with instead of the stupid, careless approach that was carried on for 50 years.

This is why you don't try to solve complex issues with a one-size-fits-all, iron first rule approach. Start with where everyone pretty much agrees and work up from there. It's the only intelligent strategy to address abortion.
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Like what "basic minimal rights?"

Please explain the 'intelligent' part of whatever you offer. Like explaining that killing a 15 week old fetus is acceptable but not a 16 week one. Or 6 weeks vs 15 weeks? Or intelligent part of demanding we force women to have kids they cant afford and more taxpayer $$ will be spent supporting them? What's "intelligent" about forcing a woman that wanted a baby to continue carrying a fetus with no brain because it has a heartbeat? Things like that.
 
Lursa said:
Like what "basic minimal rights?"

Please explain the 'intelligent' part of whatever you offer. Like explaining that killing a 15 week old fetus is acceptable but not a 16 week one. Or 6 weeks vs 15 weeks? Or intelligent part of demanding we force women to have kids they cant afford and more taxpayer $$ will be spent supporting them? What's "intelligent" about forcing a woman that wanted a baby to continue carrying a fetus with no brain because it has a heartbeat? Things like that.
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Start with where 85% of Americans agree.
 
Blue Dog said:
Lower income families will end up having more unwanted children….
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I like this reality check from another poster, yet it usually matters naught to anti-abortion supporters. Just get "more boots on the ground." Quantity over quality of life.

"Every abortion is the ending of a potential child that was not wanted and could not be supported either emotionally, psychologically or financially."​
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The consequences of this on the women, the kids born, and society are apparently not even considered.
 
weaver2 said:
And right there is how you know that the pro-life goal is not reducing abortions or saving fetuses it's about controlling women, especially poor women and it's based on vindictiveness not Christian love.
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And it gives a self-righteous feeling of 'doing something'. Like you say, stopping abortions isn't the point. If it were, there's lots of positive first steps to take but banning abortion is just, well, righteous.
Here's a good start- free childcare for low income. If single motherhood is not a sentence to years of welfare poverty that right there will prevent many abortions.
 
1 - Abortions will still happen
2 - A rise in unsafe abortion will result in unnecessary injury and death
3 - The wealthy will still have access to safe abortion
4 - Those at the bottom of the economic ladder will suffer the most, as usual
5 - More unwanted children will be born into poor households

The result of both 4 and 5 will be a direct negative drag on the US economy.
It wil be viewed around the world as yet another way the US is failing in leadership.
 
WisconIndependent said:
Anyone who thinks that abortions will remain legal in parts of this country are just fooling themselves. The aim of a minority of Americans is that all abortions will once again be against the law and they will not stop until they have succeeded. They have ended Roe, next they will stop the use of abortion medications, and finally contraceptives, it will be a never-ending process that might take many more years, but it will happen. The final nail in the coffin will be the life begins at conception and giving a fetus the same rights as a live person. The real problem not faced by those who wish this is what happens then. The same people who want to end abortion also want to end what they call the welfare state. So in what is one of the wealthiest nations on earth, many more children will starve than already do. Of course, the wealthy can still send their women out of the country to get what the rest of the nation cannot.
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They will never be able to do that, the majority of Americans believe in at least some degree of bodily autonomy for women .

it is a losing stance... unless the other side is so bad that it can not be worried about as much as other issues.
 
weaver2 said:
And right there is how you know that the pro-life goal is not reducing abortions or saving fetuses it's about controlling women, especially poor women and it's based on vindictiveness not Christian love.
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You know he was being sarcastic, right?
 
I imagine a few things would happen.

Abortions would become not nearly as commonplace, or used as a means of contraception.
Women (and men) would likely decrease the consumption of unprotected sex.
The back alley abortion would come back to rear it's ugly head.
More humans born out of wedlock.

I know the assumption is that all the States agree to make them illegal. I just don't ever see that happening.
 
Hypothetical said:
They will never be able to do that, the majority of Americans believe in at least some degree of bodily autonomy for women .

it is a losing stance... unless the other side is so bad that it can not be worried about a much as other issues.
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It's amazing to see, even after the massive failure of the approach, that liberals are still attempting the "abortion will be banned everywhere 100% of the time if you don't vote for us!" schtick.

There's more than enough support on "some" abortion rights being codified to get it done. All the pols have to do is build the coalition and put the support to action.
 
 
What will happen? Republican legislatures will create new safety-net programs just for all the unwanted children they're forcing on the poor.

Republicans will step up to the plate, right? Right?
 
Hello My Son said:
85% collaborating to defeat 13% isn't that difficult.

Majorities of residents in 43 states and the District of Columbia say that abortion should be legal in most or all cases, and in 13 of those states and in DC, more than seven in ten residents support legal abortion. There are only seven states in which less than half of residents say abortion should be legal in most or all cases: South Dakota (42%), Utah (42%), Arkansas (43%), Oklahoma (45%), Idaho (49%), Mississippi (49%), and Tennessee (49%).

43 states isn't that difficult to defeat 7 states. And 43 >>> 33.
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Based on your post #5, I asked:

Like what "basic minimal rights?"​
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Please explain the 'intelligent' part of whatever you offer. Like explaining that killing a 15 week old fetus is acceptable but not a 16 week one. Or 6 weeks vs 15 weeks? Or intelligent part of demanding we force women to have kids they cant afford and more taxpayer $$ will be spent supporting them? What's "intelligent" about forcing a woman that wanted a baby to continue carrying a fetus with no brain because it has a heartbeat? Things like that.​
 
Lursa said:
Based on your post #5, I asked:

Like what "basic minimal rights?"​
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Please explain the 'intelligent' part of whatever you offer. Like explaining that killing a 15 week old fetus is acceptable but not a 16 week one. Or 6 weeks vs 15 weeks? Or intelligent part of demanding we force women to have kids they cant afford and more taxpayer $$ will be spent supporting them? What's "intelligent" about forcing a woman that wanted a baby to continue carrying a fetus with no brain because it has a heartbeat? Things like that.​
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The basic minimal rights that are already commonly agreed upon by those 85% and over the course of decades worth of polling on the topic.

Life of mother or fetus, rape, and incest/child abuse.

The intelligence of it doesn't need to be justified or explained because there isn't an "intelligence" litmus test to passing amendments based on what The People want with a massive majority of 85-13 and/or that states could easily pass with way more than 2/3rds support.
 
Hello My Son said:
The basic minimal rights that are already commonly agreed upon by those 85% and over the course of decades worth of polling on the topic.

Life of mother or fetus, rape, and incest/child abuse.

The intelligence of it doesn't need to be justified or explained because there isn't an "intelligence" litmus test to passing amendments based on what The People want with a massive majority of 85-13 and/or that states could easily pass with way more than 2/3rds support.
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Of course the "intelligence" of the reasoning behind rights is necessary. So...let's see it.

Life of mother...I addressed it...it can still be jeopardized by not having laws that require preserving a dying or severely defective fetus at the expense of the woman's life. That's not "intelligent" if they already know the unborn will die.

What is intelligent about allowing a woman to kill her unborn because of rape? Can she kill her toddler if it was the product of rape? Please address my question:

Please explain the 'intelligent' part of whatever you offer.​
 
WisconIndependent said:
Anyone who thinks that abortions will remain legal in parts of this country are just fooling themselves. The aim of a minority of Americans is that all abortions will once again be against the law and they will not stop until they have succeeded. They have ended Roe, next they will stop the use of abortion medications, and finally contraceptives, it will be a never-ending process that might take many more years, but it will happen. The final nail in the coffin will be the life begins at conception and giving a fetus the same rights as a live person. The real problem not faced by those who wish this is what happens then. The same people who want to end abortion also want to end what they call the welfare state. So in what is one of the wealthiest nations on earth, many more children will starve than already do. Of course, the wealthy can still send their women out of the country to get what the rest of the nation cannot.
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They are not going to be.
 
WisconIndependent said:
Anyone who thinks that abortions will remain legal in parts of this country are just fooling themselves. The aim of a minority of Americans is that all abortions will once again be against the law and they will not stop until they have succeeded. They have ended Roe, next they will stop the use of abortion medications, and finally contraceptives, it will be a never-ending process that might take many more years, but it will happen. The final nail in the coffin will be the life begins at conception and giving a fetus the same rights as a live person. The real problem not faced by those who wish this is what happens then. The same people who want to end abortion also want to end what they call the welfare state. So in what is one of the wealthiest nations on earth, many more children will starve than already do. Of course, the wealthy can still send their women out of the country to get what the rest of the nation cannot.
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That's easy. Illegal abortions.
 
WisconIndependent said:
Anyone who thinks that abortions will remain legal in parts of this country are just fooling themselves. The aim of a minority of Americans is that all abortions will once again be against the law and they will not stop until they have succeeded. They have ended Roe, next they will stop the use of abortion medications, and finally contraceptives, it will be a never-ending process that might take many more years, but it will happen. The final nail in the coffin will be the life begins at conception and giving a fetus the same rights as a live person. The real problem not faced by those who wish this is what happens then. The same people who want to end abortion also want to end what they call the welfare state. So in what is one of the wealthiest nations on earth, many more children will starve than already do. Of course, the wealthy can still send their women out of the country to get what the rest of the nation cannot.
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Women will start voting against Republicans en masse, so step 2 will see Republicans supporting a repeal of the 19th Amendment.
 
WisconIndependent said:
Anyone who thinks that abortions will remain legal in parts of this country are just fooling themselves. The aim of a minority of Americans is that all abortions will once again be against the law and they will not stop until they have succeeded. They have ended Roe, next they will stop the use of abortion medications, and finally contraceptives, it will be a never-ending process that might take many more years, but it will happen. The final nail in the coffin will be the life begins at conception and giving a fetus the same rights as a live person. The real problem not faced by those who wish this is what happens then. The same people who want to end abortion also want to end what they call the welfare state. So in what is one of the wealthiest nations on earth, many more children will starve than already do. Of course, the wealthy can still send their women out of the country to get what the rest of the nation cannot.
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What happens is the women start dying in droves because of "God's will".
 
Lursa said:
Of course the "intelligence" of the reasoning behind rights is necessary. So...let's see it.

Life of mother...I addressed it...it can still be jeopardized by not having laws that require preserving a dying or severely defective fetus at the expense of the woman's life. That's not "intelligent" if they already know the unborn will die.

What is intelligent about allowing a woman to kill her unborn because of rape? Can she kill her toddler if it was the product of rape? Please address my question:

Please explain the 'intelligent' part of whatever you offer.​
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Of course it's not a requirement at all to get an Amendment passed. Upon what are you basing this claim that it's a requirement to explain the intelligence behind policies that 85% of Americans already support? The Amendment process doesn't require an "intelligence" defense of proposed positions whatsoever. Not on this topic nor any other in the entire history of the country.
 
jnug said:
Instead of worrying about the rather obvious intentions of the Christian Radical Right I would suggest we stop them....stop them dead in their tracks. Their "intentions" are not broadly popular. Their primary tool is the abuse of power. So take the power away.
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How?
 
Hello My Son said:
Of course it's not a requirement at all to get an Amendment passed. Upon what are you basing this claim that it's a requirement to explain the intelligence behind policies that 85% of Americans already support? The Amendment process doesn't require an "intelligence" defense of proposed positions whatsoever. Not on this topic nor any other in the entire history of the country.
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Your own claims in post 5. Now, please explain the 'intelligent' part of whatever "basic minimal rights" you offer. You brought it up. Dont you think that rights and infringements on rights should be "intelligent?"

I already mostly refuted the ones you mentioned. Only "the mother's life" is 'intelligent' and yet we've seen that because of restrictions, women's lives are still endangered by delays.
 
Ya know...they's a lot of folk that have moved out of California over their passage of commie unconstitutional laws. People move to states where they believe their rights and opportunities are better protected. So...if you live in fear that your right to kill babies in the name of convenience is ever going to be restricted, the run don't walk to the bus station and get a one way ticket to the blue state paradise of your dreams.
 
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