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Cooperation between the feds and the states.
I saw something the other day about a raisin farm, turning perfectly good grapes into raisins. Surely there is more money to be made in wine?:2razz:
I'm not so sure. Raisin growers around here live in some pretty nice houses.
(even if the LDS would make wine)
When we're discussing "welfare", just what does that entail? I think most of us would include TANF, and perhaps subsidized housing. Food stamps could be seen as both welfare and agricultural subsidy. Social Security? Is that welfare? Medicare? Medicaid? What is welfare, anyway?
So I assume that since the supreme count made corporations "persons". Your point of view also applies to corporations?
That would include 31 of the 50 states, most of them red states. What states receive more federal tax dollars than they pay in
If you didn't pay directly into it, and it's a benefit that gives you money, services or food because you are poor......I think most everyone considers that welfare. It government charity using tax dollars.
If you didn't pay directly into it, and it's a benefit that gives you money, services or food because you are poor......I think most everyone considers that welfare. It government charity using tax dollars.
So, that would not include SS, workman's comp, or Medicare, but it would include K-12 education and agricultural subsidies. What about foreign aid? Can foreign nations be welfare recipients as well
So, that would not include SS, workman's comp, or Medicare, but it would include K-12 education and agricultural subsidies. What about foreign aid? Can foreign nations be welfare recipients as well
I generally agree. Government retirements and disability, such as VA, are not welfare. Social Security and Social Security Disability (SSD) we pay into. There are some that get SSD that never paid into SS, true, so maybe they can be considered welfare. Providing for disability of workers is one of the reasons for SS to exist. Unemployment insurance is paid by your employer on your behalf, you don't pay directly, other than by your labor. So, I wouldn't consider Unemployment to be Welfare (except in those states that now everyone, regardless of job paying in to unemployment insurance, get it).
Helping out the working poor, while welfare, I don't really have a problem with. But then again, all the working poor that I know, cannot get many benefits because they earn too much, even at minimum wage or near it. WIC (Women Infants and Children) food supplement and Medicaid adjusted for pay is all I have ever seen them get. But then again, an enlisted member of the Armed Forces, E-5 and below, married with a child qualifies for WIC.
When I refer to welfare, it is the people who's only income, housing, etc all come from the government welfare programs, have no jobs (that the government knows about) and are not legitimately disabled.
I agree with your statement partially. I think some of SS is like charity for those who never paid in. For the most part it is not welfare per se. Nevertheless I do not really think it is a good retirement option.
Education, like law enforcement and fire protection, is a common need. So I would not consider it in anyway "welfare" but rather a legitimate function of government. I do however think we pay way too much for it for the results we get. It is most definitely a corrupted and broken system within our government.
It is a very poor retirement option as it doesn't pay enough to live on in most cases.
Yes, if only.If only there was some kind of reform measure out there that would alter it so that even low-income workers could, over the course of their lifetime, become financially independent.....
Yes, if only.
If only it had been passed back when SS was a cash cow, and it would have been possible to pass such a measure while still paying current retirees. If only the Congress had not put the SS funds into the general fund and spent them.
If only we had a functional and forward looking Congress.
Yup, now SS is running a permanent deficit. Hooray! Now let's wait for Medicare to get past the point of no return! :thumbs:
I don't think you can draw SS unless you have 40 quarters paying in....that's 10 years of working. One of my brothers has only 9 years, but that 9 was in the military, so as soon as he hits 65 he can apply for a PENSION from the VA. He is already getting 50%disability compensation from the VA, hearing loss. But he won't get both....whichever is higher is what he gets, and it is means tested. But since he has nothing but a shack in the woods, and no income other than his disability, he should qualify for the pension. He isn't getting anything for his primary disability, terminal laziness....
Somewhere along the line, people started thinking that SS was a retirement program. It is not, it was meant to be supplemental to savings and investments, etc. Too many people didn't save enough, so the IRA program and its sibling programs were brought in.
STILL, a lot of people aren't doing their share of providing for their own future....
Lots of people have trouble providing for their own present, let alone their future.
You're right about SS: You have to have 40 quarters minimum. I don't qualify for SS as I didn't pay into it for that long. The money that they did deduct from my salary years ago is just lost. I did pay into state teacher's retirement for 38 years, however, which is a retirement fund and is light years ahead of SS in benefits.
my wife did both SS and teacher retirement from AZ.....her retirement is better than mine. All of her teacher retirement is from money she contributed, the school district put in nothing. And AZ did a decent job investing, it seems.