They didn't see **** because they're blinded by their Political correctness and their allegiance to do nothing...
The funniest part is that they claimed they "saw it coming" so what does that make them? stupid or tolerant?
They're ****ing idiots...
G.W. Bush was the guy who kicked off the un-necessary Iraq war which the USA will be paying for a long time from now, with nothing to show for the lives lost and money thrown away.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063572500 said:Stop and think about it. The Obama administration has helped topple multiple secular ruled countries and just walked away following the downfall of the leadership leaving tribal factions and invading Islamists to fight it out for control of the country.
All of this after denigrating Bush for the thousands who lost their lives in Iraq.
In supporting the Arab Spring isn't Obama responsible loss of life as well? His acceptable loss of life is just different than Bush's.
Dead is dead.
They obviously saw it coming.
Like the one that you just made, eh? :roll:
Oh. Okay. So it is your argument that Al Qaeda does not have the ability to launch attacks against the West. Okedoke.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063572500 said:Stop and think about it. The Obama administration has helped topple multiple secular ruled countries and just walked away following the downfall of the leadership leaving tribal factions and invading Islamists to fight it out for control of the country.
All of this after denigrating Bush for the thousands who lost their lives in Iraq.
In supporting the Arab Spring isn't Obama responsible loss of life as well? His acceptable loss of life is just different than Bush's.
Dead is dead.
They obviously saw it coming.
Like the one that you just made, eh? :roll:
I'd say it's certainly not "imminent," as has been claimed in this thread, and much of AQ's assets seem to be tied up in the ME.
ahhhh. that's fantastic to know that it is not imminent. Have you conveyed your special knowledge to the CIA? they might be interested in hiring someone of your impressive abilities.
Another attack is imminent. And we will again, fail to respond in any meaningful way. This, I fear, will be a repeat of WW1 and WW2. America and it's allies will fail to stop an imminent large scale world conflict. In the end, more Americans will die then if we had just taken care of this problem when we had the chance while we had forces in Iraq.
Did I say I "knew"? This guy in post 20 seems to.
Who helped the Muslims in Afghanistan kick the Soviet Union out of there?
Any ideas?
I disagreed with Nick that middle eastern militant Islamic groups are on the same chapter or page and told him there's rampant infighting
and you chose to side with him. I've linked to a quite non-exhaustive list documenting the level of infighting between these groups that the US has provided support and aid for in various forms for decades. They are not united in a fight against the US, although any one of them likely has and would in the future conduct attacks on the US. They are fighting for control over the region that the US has worked tirelessly to destabilize, which means much infighting as well. Only the blind deny that widespread sectarian violence is US policy.
The group, (ISIS/ISIL, IS) in its original form, was composed of and supported by a variety of Sunni insurgent groups, including its predecessor organizations, the Mujahideen Shura Council, the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) and Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the insurgent groups Jaysh al-Fatiheen, Jund al-Sahaba, Katbiyan Ansar Al-Tawhid wal Sunnah and Jeish al-Taiifa al-Mansoura, and a number of Iraqi tribes that profess Sunni Islam.
Such as?..
Your arguments thus far have been bipartisan.It completely ignores every other variable. I have not made absolutist claims.Placing the blame of a multidimensional issue on one individual is the paragon of simplicity.
Rhiannon just said, "almost always". This is NOT an absolute statement.
You almost always stick your nose in where it's not needed or wanted.
Ah.and that therefore support to mostly tribal / warlord-esque forces in the 1980's therefore translates into support of two AQ variants in the 2010's?It is your belief that all Muslims are the same,
What does that opinion have to do with me being correct?
Who ever said that you were correct about anything?
Where did you get that idea?
When the next attack happens here, and Innocent Americans die, that is squarely on Obama....
Only one man was the President of the USA on March 20, 2003 when the USA with its partners attacked Iraq, that man was G.W. Bush.
Do you deny that fact?
President does not somehow equal all knowing, all powerful dictator. As I have already pointed out,.GW had support by allies and political enemies alike. It's funny how people like to pretend that never happened/
Just like when the 9/11/2001 attack happened during Bush's administration you guys put it squarely on Clinton.
President does not somehow equal all knowing, all powerful dictator. As I have already pointed out, GW had support by allies and political enemies alike. It's funny how people like to pretend that never happened/.
The USA should never have stuck its nose in Iraq.