Klown
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BS!
You may have later come to the position that you assert above, but it really wasn't and hasn't been the position you were arguing.
You were, and have been more than ok with them being turned away by the Union, as initially reported. And that is the hackery.
Only later did you capitulate a little by saying the following, although showing that you still supported the turning away of volunteers.
But then you go right back to it, supporting the reported event with the following statement.
And more argument supporting the supposed occurrence.
Then we have this exchange that you also show you didn't understand.
But then it again goes back to the ridiculous.
Saying it is ok to turn away disaster relief volunteers, in a time of disaster, in favor of paid employment for locals.
A ridiculous argument.
And the following sums up your position quite nicely, and is why you were in favor and argued in support of what was reported as happening.
And that is only a third of the way through the topic.
You are wrong and obviously can not admit it.No, I was right on target with my comment about your hackery. Neither the power company NOR the union turned anyone away. That is clear and has been clear. All you are doing is switching from the power company to the union. You are wrong on both counts.
Now you are on to dishonesty. What a shame.None of what you said above is accurate in any way.
You really aren't reading what you reply to are you?Again, this has all been refuted. Not only was no one turned away, but the issue had zero to do with the power company OR the union. If you were keeping up with the story, you'd know that.
Holy mother of megatroid.Which had nothing to do with the Union... which you DIDN'T say. Prepared to say THAT?.
Au contraire, actually showing you are wrong, and being hackish in your assertions.Actually showing that rightwing hacks were wrong from the get go, as I have proven.
Surely you have an inability to read what was posted.Except I wasn't as your further posts have proven. Are you about to admit that the issue had zero to with the power company or the union... as I have prioven?
I am sure that as soon as the leftist hacks admit that their position of supporting the Union turning volunteers away during disaster recovery as initially reported, was wrong, you will get what ever right wing hacks that you think there are to admit to the information in the quotes that I provided long before you.And since the report was wrong, are the rightwing hacks who have blamed the union prepared to retract? Or are they going to hold onto their hackery? Are you going to retract?
And the bottom line is that the whole thing was just a misunderstanding. Obviously Excon just wants to keep it going, accusing people of whatever and trying to make whatever point he is trying to make. Who the heck even knows anymore?
Surely you have an inability to read what was posted.
I provided said info before you did.
I am sure that as soon as the leftist hacks admit that their position of supporting the Union turning volunteers away during disaster recovery as initially reported, was wrong, you will get what ever right wing hacks that you think there are to admit to the information in the quotes that I provided long before you.
Which is all you have.
Deflection away from the untenable position you took.
So typical.
And if true, it still would have been wrong.It *supposedly* was ONE 6-man crew. Get a grip on yourself!!!
It is typical of a person who can not support the position they have taken.As if you would know anything that is "typical" about me.
And if true, it still would have been wrong. But your support of it, or if you will, anybody's support of it, is and would be wrong.
Oh Good God, why is it wrong for me to want the people who are under contract by the power company to be put to work (which is what they are HIRED to do BTW)? It would NOT slow down the progress. They could still get volunteers. So why is it wrong?
It is typical of a person who can not support the position they have taken. They deflect by doing exactly what you did in that post, and in these very quotes above. That is what is typical.
You brought it up, and look, oops you did it again.
There was no "oops" to it.You brought it up, and look, oops you did it again.
Wow! Your argument keeps changing. Before it was just those out of work. Now it is people under contract.Oh Good God, why is it wrong for me to want the people who are under contract by the power company to be put to work (which is what they are HIRED to do BTW)? It would NOT slow down the progress. They could still get volunteers. So why is it wrong?
Wow! Your argument keeps changing. Before it was just those out of work. Now it is people under contract. :doh If they are under contract, they are working for the company.
Are you kidding? I said, as I have from the beginning, the UNION members. I never said everyone who is out of work. You see, there you go assuming and putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, and this is really getting just plain stupid. It's like you are trying to find an argument where there is nothing to argue about. The article was an error, and you are reading MUCH more into my statements.
Had this not been a disaster, there is nothing wrong with your position. But we are speaking about the aftermath of a large disaster were they need the influx of expertise and equipment to help. Which is a reason even the Unions agree to, and want, such help in the first place. And it was a situation where help was asked for.
Regardless if the story had been true or not, the Union has no business turning away help that was asked for during disaster recovery.
And as reported, they wouldn't have.[/COLOR]
There is wrong with calling the guys who are under contract with the union who are unemployed to come help with the disaster and get paid at the expense of the power companies. They can well afford to pay these guys. I'm sure that the unions agreed because all of their guys are working too. That is how it should be IMO.
BTW, I hate how you break every sentence up into a new paragraph. It makes it more work to quote you, but far be it for me to tell you how to type, so carry on. Just saying.
YOU posted after the update... several hours in fact. Guess you couldn't be bothered to check... you'd prefer to just believe the "liberal evil, conservative good" edict regardless of accuracy. Excon has the excuse that he didn't post after 12:43... but perhaps you "right wing hacks" might not have reacted so quickly with your partisanship. And, let's see which of you shows some integrity and admits they were wrong. Then I can indicate who is and is not pathetic.
They won't rest until children are working 60 hour weeks.
Is that happening now in non-union businesses? Next.
After all we have been through together - me slaughtering every single comment that you have posted and totally embarrassing you in public, and now you want to turn away from your therapeutic growth as a person?
I just dont understand it
I hope it wasnt the invoices I sent you the other week - I thought we agreed on my 30 minute block fee charges and that you were to handle the costs of your medication
Are you renegging on our agreement?
I'm gonna have ta say no. Nothing against you personally, I'm just busy. Ask some other people, though; try the CT subforum.
So you admit that you have been dragging around garbage all your life?
Well I agree with you on that point
First time for everything folks
ecofart and I are now mates - friends for life
No, I ignored them because I think they're garbage.
I noticed that you were petrified at dealing with the other points raised in my post
Thats understandable - you deny the chains that encircle your limbs and shut your ears to the rattle of your corporate ball thar drags behind you
You dont have much time left to act ecofart - the last place you should be wasting your time in, is the INTERNET CHAT ABYSS - especially the politically impotent forums
....I can think of at least a couple of things off the top of my head that are just as exciting and entertaining
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Ohh is that Jessica Alaba? I like. What can I say I lead a very boring life nowadays. I pefer it that way. Thanks for the picks. Now I am off to get more popcorn.opcorn2:
Here we go again.Are you kidding? I said, as I have from the beginning, the UNION members. I never said everyone who is out of work. You see, there you go assuming and putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, and this is really getting just plain stupid. It's like you are trying to find an argument where there is nothing to argue about.
There are more than enough "trained" people that already exist in NJ that could handle the work. ...
I care about giving the people who live in those communities the opportunity for the work FIRST. A lot of people are DYING for a job and work and money.
This is about out-of-state workers coming in to take jobs from locals.
The work should be offered to the local residents first. It doesn't matter whether it is temporary or permanent. There are plenty of capable unemployed people in the area.
Why are you assuming that they NEED the outside help to get what needs to be done in a timely fashion. Like I said, there are PLENTY of locals who are capable who are unemployed. Even if they aren't union workers, the local residents who ARE electricians, etc., should be offered the opportunity FIRST before bringing in out-of-staters who will not contribute much to the local economy.
That's nice. Just saying.BTW, I hate how you break every sentence up into a new paragraph. It makes it more work to quote you, but far be it for me to tell you how to type, so carry on. Just saying.
You are wrong and obviously can not admit it.
What a shame.
I was keeping abreast of the topic and the argument changed as the information did.
And the hackery was from those on the left as shown.
Now you are on to dishonesty. What a shame.
You really aren't reading what you reply to are you?
Saying they received bad info, (which it was) and that bad info being a reason they left, is not saying they were turned away.
Or do you truly not understand that?
Holy mother of megatroid.
It was in the quote. I didn't need to repeat what I quoted.
Did I? Of course not.
Pay attention. It was in the quote.
Au contraire, actually showing you are wrong, and being hackish in your assertions.
Surely you have an inability to read what was posted.
I provided said info before you did.
Which means you didn't prove anything.
I am sure that as soon as the leftist hacks admit that their position of supporting the Union turning volunteers away during disaster recovery as initially reported, was wrong, you will get what ever right wing hacks that you think there are to admit to the information in the quotes that I provided long before you.
Yes, I did post both before and after the update. And yes, I could/should have revisited the WAAF-TV website and this is my mistake. Frankly after an initial perusal of links provided here on DP I rarely go back to check for updates..do you? As to your ‘skepticism’ of the Daily Caller, I understand this which is why I used the original source in #8. My second link to the similar situation reported in the Daily Caller didn’t include links but DID include person’s names and not the nefarious ‘unknown sources’. I too recognize the specious nature of many of the links furnished by posters on both sides of the isle. As to the ‘liberal evil/conservative good’ you sir misjudge me as I certainly do not feel this way. My reaction was not based on partisanship nor is it my way to do so. I firmly believe in the two (or more) party system and truly appreciate there are ‘left wing hacks’ to balance our ‘right wing hacks’.
If there are other errors in my views on this issue please point them out and I will graciously admit my error.
Ultimately my argument was against ‘preferred volunteers’ in this tragedy. I understand Chris’ position and respect it but suffice to say that the NEXT time our power is off for 5 days (or 2 or 3 which is common out here in the boonies) I don’t care if the line crew who shows up to fix it is union or not…
Note my opinion in #336.
The hackery is all yours at this point with your false claims and dishonesty.The hackery was from you and now that you have been proven wrong, you refuse to demonstrate any integrity and admit it.
Yes you were, as pointed out.on to dishonesty and denial. Predictable.
:lamoOh, I've read that. In fact, I've SAID it.
And?I've also read you changing your tune to blame the unions rather than the power company.
False! I did not dismiss said quote.You dismissed the quote with your own comments... demonstrating your lack of integrity and hackery.
And again!No, I exposed your hackishness.
I have nothing to admit to that I previously didn't show and take notice of. Which is exactly what a person is supposed to do as the story progresses.So, are you going to admit you erred, yet?
Yes, indeed! You do need to try out some of this honesty that you speak of, because clearly it escapes you.No, I provided the complete information after you from the Alabama company itself... dispelling your claim that the unions were the issue. Please try some honesty, here.
The obvious showing of a lack of integrity isn't coming from this side.So, that would be a no, I suppose. Always good to know when someone refuses to demonstrate integrity as you have.
The out of state crews still need to eat and stay somewhere, so will contribute to the local economy.More of your irrelevent bs...hiring NJerseyans first does not hurt the devestated...it helps them with faster response and helps the state recover by hiring thier own who will pay TAXS on it