Re: Should school uniforms be banned?
FOR ****'S SAKE MAN KEEP TRACK OF THE DAMN CONVERSATION! We were talking about something dittohead said and it was not even remotely related to anyone calling me inferior.
Sure it is, with all your whining about being labeled as inferior and your bitching about authoritarian complexes and your crying about control issues...
Oh please, the whole "I am older and have gone through more so I have the experience to tell me that I am right" is something I have heard to justify all sorts of positions. If what you were saying were somehow different from what I have heard when discussing foreign policy or criminal justice with people older than me I might give the baseless claim some weight. Rather all I am getting from you is that you do not have an adequate explanation for why you think you are right, most likely because it is purely your gut feeling and not something based in reason, and thus go for a cop-out.
You are exhibiting the typical authoritarian mindset. That is to say you think that without exercising control over others and manipulating them the only other possible outcome is chaos.
You cannot tell anything from my posts. Do not act like you are some sort of psychic. Rather you refuse to believe that someone can differ from you on this without being a child and thus beneath you.
I have no doubt that you did not know more than your seniors. Actually, it seems most of the people on here who are so insistent that anyone under the age of 20 is an inferior being were irresponsible pricks at that age. So I am not surprised you would assume everyone has to be that way at such an age.
I cannot think of any time when I was a child that I wanted people to control me. I like how people like you presume you know my age and then presume from your initial presumption that I must be inferior to you. Sorry, but you are not that good.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/88462-uniforms-public-schools-27.html#post1059187832
It is just one long winded diatribe... you will be a facing a time-out soon, junior.
Fallacious does not mean that there is some named fallacy if that is what you are asking for. I am saying your reasoning is faulty.
When using fallicious during a debate, it generally refers to a logical fallacy. That is fine then, show how my reasoning is faulty, if you don't mind.
I do not think it really matters since we are talking about your attitude in this case, not in general.
Even with regards to me, it is argumentative...
I was not referring to those comments.
Right, got it. Each time I nail you you say, "I was not talking to you" or "I was not referring to those comments" or "that is what someone else said"... it is cyclical.
I know what you said and what I was saying is that it is something I would have pondered. If I had wanted someone to "control" me it is something I would have recognized.
Is the nature of "consciousness" foreign to you? Thoughts, ideas and feelings that you are not conscious of are not known to you, hence pondering about it is irrelevant.
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4. awareness of something for what it is; internal knowledge: consciousness of wrongdoing.
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No, that is what someone else said. I only said "a while ago" and you should check since you obviously haven't.
It might have been
Henrin in all the back and forths... and I did check, just checked again, spent ten minutes filtering through threads and couldn't find it.
Just because you have experienced something does not mean you are better at objectively analyzing it. Actually, personal experience tends to have the opposite effect.
Just because I have personal experience doesn't mean that I am not better at objectively analysing it. I am sure that you have a study or two that would refute me and verify your claim then? I would argue that perception is the key cognitive factor and that somebody who has experienced something and has average abilities at perception would be better at objectively analysing their experiences than would a person that has no or little experience on the matter.
No, you see I just a get little hostile when people talk down to me and treat me like I am beneath them. It has nothing to do with feeling inferior.
I have only said that you are naive... that has nothing to do with being beneath me. Wouldn't you agree?
Like I said, it is to be expected that people of the same mind on an issue would use the same fallacious reasoning. Let us be clear your presumption about my age is not based on anything even remotely approaching reason, but entirely based on the fact that I am disagreeing with you.
I think that I got your comment mixed up with Henrins... If I did, then I am wrong. I can't recall though, nor do I care to talk about it anymore, since my initial usage of that was for comedic value about teenagers. My point has been though, that you lack experience and have a naive view about parenting and all that it entails. This really isn't debatable. You do, in fact, lack the experience that I and others have, that is what we keep telling you. Based off of our experience and the things that you keep saying, it is pretty obvious to us. You can think that our personal experience and you lack of personal experience somehow makes equally able to discern the complexities and nuances of what parenting entails if you like. It is just silly though, for reasons already stated and not refuted.
My parents are hardcore Evangelicals so in a sense I was. However, I got away with plenty they would not have wanted so their attempts at control were miserable failures. That is the point.
No. The point is hardcore Evangelicals tried to control you and you resent it. Their failure is irrelevant.
Using something like uniforms to control kids is not going to work and can only cause damage.
And you have yet to show one tangible bit of proof regarding this matter. Not one. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
You should not presume that someone turning out well later in life in any way reflects on a parent's actions. Teenagers are human beings after all and they are exposed to far more people and situations than those concerning their parents. They also have their own minds to figure things out with.
Another naive comment. Of course everybody has their own mind, but parents actions have an enormous amount of influence on a child, both positive and negative.