Why would Putin have given in to Obama and ordered ASSad to give up his chemical weapons?
He wouldn't have. It wasn't in his interest to do so, and he knew full well that U.S. foreign policy was too weak to change that equation.
And where does Russia get its cash whilst going into a costly war with Ukraine?
He wouldn't have. It wasn't in his interest to do so, and he knew full well that U.S. foreign policy was too weak to change that equation.
and Russia will sustain itself how?
Then you're saying that ASSad gave up his WMD on his own?
Are you sure you want to stay with that?
I'll stay with No Drama Obama instead of cowboy diplomacy from VP draft-dodger Cheney .
This thread is so funny and devoid of facts and reality.
First of all there are already were tons of Russian troops in the Crimea.. it is called the Russian Black Sea Fleet and this is what it is all about. The Ukraine opposition has for almost a decade wanted its hands on this fleet and the port of Sevastopol. That is why the Russians are acting the way they are and putting troops into the Crimea to prevent that the new Ukrainian government trying to seize the base and fleet. Putin and Russia will do anything to defend this critical piece of their military... it is their only winter fleet base they have.
Secondly the Crimea was given to Ukraine during the Soviet period. It was never really part of historical Ukraine. The huge majority of people are Russians and want to be link to Russia. If you had a vote in the area even before the crisis, then they would vote by a massive margin to return to Russia.
Thirdly calling Obama weak is kinda funny when Bush allowed Putin to invade and occupy a country similar to this... was Bush weak too?
And finally what exactly can anyone do? Like it or not logistically any attempt to help the Ukrainians is bound to fail. Plus why should we care? The opposition aint exactly good either, and half the country hates the opposition. This is a mess that no one wants to get involved in, including the US with a right wing fanatic in the White House... no sane man would want that.
No the Ukrainian opposition needs to make a deal with Russia instead of acting like spoilt brats. That they had to be told by the Poles that they should sign the present deal or expect to die.. shows how little sense of reality they have. They have no military backing internally and half the country wants to cede... so come on.. wake the hell up. To save face they need to hold a referendum in Crimea and areas to the east and let the people vote for what country they want to be part off. It is the only way out.
Why add the last sentence? I agreed with the first two.
Because of the intense slamming of Obama that is completely out-of-line.
A little reference to the last decade, which has caused this decade, is needed with such partisanship.
What's wrong with supporting the 'No Drama Obama' doctrine?
BHO gets attacked from every conceivable fraction of the GOP in every foreign event,
giving Russia a sense that BHO is on his own in the USA, which he is .
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It's a civil war in the making. If we thought the ME was bad, this is potentially way worse.
And people keep saying, "only if the Ukraine had nukes". What, they're going to irradiate themselves with Russia being right next door?
I predict that the USA will not go to war with Russia over the Ukraine.
Incidents like this is exactly the reason why Iran wants and needs nukes, I bet the Ukrainians are kicking themselves now for giving up their nukes.
That's no reason to ruin perfectly good points with partisan rhetoric.
As I say, each new event in foreign policy begins with the neocons wanting war, as with McCain,
and the isolationist/libertarians wanting us to stay out; and the GOP partisans slamming Obama .
I don't see a lot of difference between the Middle East and the Balkan States.
Seems to be the cradle of unrest in the World, with overlapping cultures .
I'm not sure what neocon means these days. It once meant an interventionist libertarian, but it seems to mean an interventionist republican lately.
Neocon HAS no mean. Its meant to be a slam on republican warhawks. It is ignored when those clamoring for war are people like say Clinton, all the elected dems that voted for action against Saddam and in Afghanistan, and the long line of liberals supporting Obama's war drums in Syria (right before Putin turned him out and made him his bitch).I'm not sure what neocon means these days. It once meant an interventionist libertarian, but it seems to mean an interventionist republican lately.
and the long line of liberals supporting Obama's war drums in Syria (right before Putin turned him out and made him his bitch).
Apache calls neo-cons former liberals who switched to the GOP side.Neocon HAS no mean. Its meant to be a slam on republican warhawks.
With faulty intelligence from the last administration.It is ignored when those clamoring for war are people like say Clinton, all the elected dems that voted for action against Saddam and in Afghanistan
and the long line of liberals supporting Obama's war drums in Syria (right before Putin turned him out and made him his bitch).
It's a civil war in the making.
If we thought the ME was bad, this is potentially way worse.
Obama is weak. The world knows this. Putin has been kicking his ass all over the school yard and taking his lunch money. This jerk is killing us. This would not have happened if Bush was in office. Oh, I can't wait for some dumb liberal to post about how strong Obama is and that Putin will back down. C'mon libs, tell us how Obama will save the day! He sucks.
Obama will lead from his behind once again. In fact, his speech was a leading from his behind moment.
Funny... Sarah Palin called this years ago. Weakness invites aggression.
Russia will print the money. It has it's own currency. But this will short and quick. It's pretty easy to take over a country, harder part is holding it.