i said incubators.. forget in vitro if its throwing you off. incubators are for pre-term viable fetus
a pregnancy is not an invasion like a pathogen
Im not an expert on this.. 3rd trimester where there is viabilily and signification differentiation of the fetus would be about right
Doesn’t even know what terms mean.
reacting my post for the sole purpose of argumentation ->fanatical one issue voters
Incubators come about after birth. Birth would have still happened. No one is arguing they are not people, as they are recognized as citizens and as people at that point. It would in fact be that point that their age is even calculated, at birth. There is a point where if a fetus is born, they will not survive after birth, regardless of the incubator though. And doctors do not consider it ethical to induce birth on a 50% chance that they might survive if they utilize limited hospital resources and likely some major health issues.
Fantastic bullshit post.reacting my post for the sole purpose of argumentation ->fanatical one issue voters
I dont "dictate" I am showing the state has an interest in protecting viable life.
No. You are merely stating in your opinion they do. That isn't evidence they really do have an interest. They should never be able to violate a person's right to bodily autonomy, protecting themselves from harm (even if not death) because of feelings. There is nothing beneficial to the state about intruding on private medical decisions about pregnancy. The person doesn't even have to tell the state they are pregnant.
More bullshit.
sounds good. recall I didnt want Roe v Wade to be overturned because of chaos like this.
It is an invasion. Your feelings don't change that. Many women are willing and able to take on that "invasion", accept it because we want a child and have little to no personal problems that we feel are an actual issue for us. That doesn't change that most women do not give their "permission" to be pregnant, have something in their body.
Casey
They made that up to appease some of the rightwing. That isn't evidence of anything but another opinion, view.
lol an invasion is what we have at the border -unwanted migrants destroying quality of life and gang members and recidivists murdering cops.. I dont see any similarity to a pregnancy
every legal finding is an "opinion" .
No. An invasion is also when an uninvited entity enters our body and uses our resources for their own, without our permission.
Usually grounded in actual recognition of our laws and constitutional rights, not simply "the state has an interest in unborn life" without showing how that would ever go above the right to bodily autonomy. The state doesn't even count or recognize unborn life in other ways such as census, insurance, vehicular passenger counts, or in wrongful death suits. Funny how they won't count an unborn as a life in a wrongful death allegation against them, but claim to have an interest in something they have no right to even know exists.
you are confusing personhood with protecting a viable fetus chance for development and birth.
pregnancy=pathogen..
Someone did the inviting unless it was rape
Nope. Consent to sex is not an invitation to pregnancy, especially not to remain pregnant. In fact, it is quite rare when we look at the statistics regarding sex that any pregnancy occurs. It is less than 1% of acts of vaginal intercourse result in any pregnancy at all.pregnancy=pathogen..
There's no place for society in that "protecting" role, as society has no right to know any person is pregnant.
Based on your past postings, I hesitate to agree with anything you post. In this case, however, I am a Democrat willing to support a law allowing abortions for 15-weeks after inception. Or better yet, make it 16 weeks, or four months. I believe that would allow time for a woman -- or a 13-year-old rape victim -- to know she is pregnant, and time to make this serious, personal decision.
Huh?
If you're trying to say Trump came up with the idea of 15 weeks, I can only point out the fact that he has proudly claimed to be the victor for the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which caused all of the current strife and confusion.
What exactly is this "interest." The state has interest in persons. Life is immaterial.
Personhood is what is applicable. A fetus is not a person.
Emotional rhetoric.
