Thousands protest 'anti-immigrant' legislation in Wisconsin

[TheDemSocialist]

(CNN)Thousands of activists and allies poured into Madison, Wisconsin, on Thursday as part of a massive rally against legislation that protest leaders described as "racist" and "anti-immigrant."Called "A Day Without Latinos and Immigrants in Wisconsin," the protests center on two pieces of legislation -- one, AB 450, would ban so-called "sanctuary cities" in Wisconsin, while another, SB 533, seeks to prevent local government from issuing ID cards to undocumented immigrants.

AB 450 recently passed the Assembly and is now expected to be considered by the upper chamber, while SB 533 has been approved by both and is headed to the desk of Republican Gov. Scott Walker. The governor's office did not immediately respond to an email asking if he plans to sign it into law.
Voces de la Frontera, one of the organizing groups, touted on its website "work stoppages, business closures and student walk-outs" in support of a broader effort to kill the bills and make a showing of immigrant economic power.
The author of AB 450, State Rep. John Spiros, a Marshfield Republican, rejected the characterization of his bill as "anti-immigrant," telling CNN he wrote it in response to the high-profile shooting death last summer of Kate Steinle. The 32-year-old San Francisco woman was allegedly killed by Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, an undocumented immigrant and felon who had repeatedly re-entered the country after multiple deportations.
"After I saw that Wisconsin had three 'sanctuary cities' -- Madison, Racine and Milwaukee County -- I went to work and said, 'How can we do something to make sure we don't have another San Francisco?'" Spiros said. "That's truly what the basis was ...This bill is not there to split up families. It's not an anti-immigration bill."

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I applaud their actions and advocacy! I hope these bills are killed. Immigrants are not the problem no matter what their documentation status is. :applaud

 

[jamesrage]

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I applaud their actions and advocacy! I hope these bills are killed. Immigrants are not the problem no matter what their documentation status is. :applaud
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So basically illegals and anti-Americans whose lips are on the cocks of the illegal immigration lobby are protesting potential anti-illegal immigration laws in Wisconsin.I am shocked that those people would protest anti-illegal immigration laws,say it ain't so. Of course illegals and anti-Americans whose lips are planted on the cocks of the illegal alien lobby would characterize the potential law as racist and anti-illegal immigration.


I hope Wisconsin does the pro-American thing and signs the anti-illegal immigration bill into law. There should be no such thing as sanctuary cities.

 

[Beaudreaux]

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I applaud their actions and advocacy! I hope these bills are killed. Immigrants are not the problem no matter what their documentation status is. :applaud
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Am I correct in my understanding that these two laws would 1) prevent cities in the state from knowingly, willingly, and intentionally allowing people who are in this country illegally to have a sanctuary from law enforcement regarding their illegal presence in this country, and 2) prevent government entities within the state from issuing valid ID's which could be used to do things that citizens and those here legally have the right to do but are rather being issued to people who are in this country illegally? And the people in the OP story call that racist? This, from a state that is on the border with Canada and probably has more illegal white Canadians in the state that would be affected by these laws than people from south of the southern border?

Do you, TDS, feel that the United States even needs borders, or immigration laws, or a separate classification called citizen? Or should we just say anyone that wants to come and go as they please has the right to do so and the entire world's population is free to come and go and while they're here we will take care of them for free?

You see, either we have the laws, or we don't. We either have a border, or we don't. We either have a separate group called citizens with others not being given the privileges of citizenship, or we don't and we give everything away to everyone.

We have to chose to be a nation, or not. A nation of laws, or not.

 

[Grand Mal]

So basically illegals and anti-Americans whose lips are on the cocks of the illegal immigration lobby are protesting potential anti-illegal immigration laws in Wisconsin.I am shocked that those people would protest anti-illegal immigration laws,say it ain't so. Of course illegals and anti-Americans whose lips are planted on the cocks of the illegal alien lobby would characterize the potential law as racist and anti-illegal immigration.


I hope Wisconsin does the pro-American thing and signs the anti-illegal immigration bill into law. There should be no such thing as sanctuary cities.

Do you talk like that when women are around? You sure couldn't have been raised by a woman like my mother.
This isn't the basement.

 

[clownboy]

Do you talk like that when women are around? You sure couldn't have been raised by a woman like my mother.
This isn't the basement.

Some of us grew up, became mature adults and can speak to our peers in frank language without worrying about what mother would say.

 

[PirateMk1]

So basically illegals and anti-Americans whose lips are on the cocks of the illegal immigration lobby are protesting potential anti-illegal immigration laws in Wisconsin.I am shocked that those people would protest anti-illegal immigration laws,say it ain't so. Of course illegals and anti-Americans whose lips are planted on the cocks of the illegal alien lobby would characterize the potential law as racist and anti-illegal immigration.


I hope Wisconsin does the pro-American thing and signs the anti-illegal immigration bill into law. There should be no such thing as sanctuary cities.

I agree with all but one thing. Those people are not undocumented immigrants or illegal immigrants. They are aliens. I prefer to call them what they actually are, rather than succumb to the PC bull**** machine. Lipstick on a pig and all.

 

[Jetboogieman]

So basically illegals and anti-Americans whose lips are on the cocks of the illegal immigration lobby are protesting potential anti-illegal immigration laws in Wisconsin.I am shocked that those people would protest anti-illegal immigration laws,say it ain't so. Of course illegals and anti-Americans whose lips are planted on the cocks of the illegal alien lobby would characterize the potential law as racist and anti-illegal immigration.


I hope Wisconsin does the pro-American thing and signs the anti-illegal immigration bill into law. There should be no such thing as sanctuary cities.

So I take it you are orally fixated?

 

[Mycroft]

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Typical socialist, aren't you?

Just like your liberal President, you want to selectively abide by the Constitution and you oppose legal legislative actions in one of our fifty States.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I applaud their actions and advocacy! I hope these bills are killed. Immigrants are not the problem no matter what their documentation status is. :applaud

Why do you dislike the Constitution?

 

[Tonawanda]

I agree with all but one thing. Those people are not undocumented immigrants or illegal immigrants. They are aliens. I prefer to call them what they actually are, rather than succumb to the PC bull**** machine. Lipstick on a pig and all.

How about "Extraterrestrials with Diplomatic Immunity"

 

[jamesrage]

I agree with all but one thing. Those people are not undocumented immigrants or illegal immigrants. They are aliens. I prefer to call them what they actually are, rather than succumb to the PC bull**** machine. Lipstick on a pig and all.

I prefer just illegals. The term "undocumented immigrant" was invented by illegals and anti-Americans to hide the illegality of what the illegals are doing.

 

[jamesrage]

Do you talk like that when women are around? You sure couldn't have been raised by a woman like my mother.
This isn't the basement.

I would call those anti-Americans a bunch of illegal alien ass kissers. But what they do goes beyond just ass kissing.

 

[Dibbler]

The University of Wisconsin at Madison has a long history of Communist agitation.

Radicalization in 1960s Madison, Wisconsin: One Participant's Reflection | Solidarity

The three most radicalized university campuses during the late 1960s were Columbia University, the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and the University of California at Berkeley. What follows is an account of the radicalization in Madison during the years 1962 to 1971 based on the perspective of one participant.

 

[Van Basten]

Anti-immigrant or anti-illegal immigrant?

The University of Wisconsin at Madison has a long history of Communist agitation.

Radicalization in 1960s Madison, Wisconsin: One Participant's Reflection | Solidarity

The three most radicalized university campuses during the late 1960s were Columbia University, the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and the University of California at Berkeley. What follows is an account of the radicalization in Madison during the years 1962 to 1971 based on the perspective of one participant.

Wisconsin of all places!

Good to know.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Typical socialist, aren't you?

Well I am a socialist... So yes?

Just like your liberal President, you want to selectively abide by the Constitution

Is this another cheap talking point?

and you oppose legal legislative actions in one of our fifty States.

Is something about the protest not legal, or something?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Why do you dislike the Constitution?

From that statement, what makes you think I dislike the constitution?

 

[OrphanSlug]

From that statement, what makes you think I dislike the constitution?

Because, nothing that is being offered by this legislation seems contrary to Constitutional thinking. More to the point, AB 450, seems designed to uphold the principles of law by going after so-called sanctuary cities.

If there is a problem with a law then we have a remedy to deal with that, but designing politically protected locations within the nation where parts of the law no longer applies suggest diminishing the importance of law.

 

[Mycroft]

Well I am a socialist... So yes?

Yes, you are a socialist...that's why your positions are so predictable.

Is this another cheap talking point?

No, not a talking point. Just an intelligent observation.

Is something about the protest not legal, or something?

LOL!!

Who said anything about the protest not being legal? I certainly didn't.

Dude...if this is the best response to my post that you can come up with, it's obvious you are a weak debate opponent who cannot even defend your own position. Definitely not worth my time.

You are dismissed.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Because, nothing that is being offered by this legislation seems contrary to Constitutional thinking.

And ok? I never said it did....

More to the point, AB 450, seems designed to uphold the principles of law by going after so-called sanctuary cities.

"Sanctuary cities" are protected by law as well... Im really not seeing your point?

If there is a problem with a law then we have a remedy to deal with that, but designing politically protected locations within the nation where parts of the law no longer applies suggest diminishing the importance of law.

The thing is "sanctuary cities" are allowed and protected by both federal law and state laws (if they have the states/cities have them on the books)... So again, I guess I'm confused on how you drew the conclusion that "i dislike the constitution"?

Yes, you are a socialist...that's why your positions are so predictable.

Okay and your a conservative so I guess your "positions are predictable" :shrug:

No, not a talking point. Just an intelligent observation.

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LOL!!

Who said anything about the protest not being legal? I certainly didn't.

Then whats your point? Being in opposition of legislation is not allowed or something? People from all sides of the aisle from all background and from all different povs oppose legislation action on various subjects. Whats your point in pointing out that I oppose this legislation?

Dude...if this is the best response to my post that you can come up with, it's obvious you are a weak debate opponent who cannot even defend your own position. Definitely not worth my time.

You are dismissed.


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:lamo So mighty.

 

[OrphanSlug]

And ok? I never said it did....


"Sanctuary cities" are protected by law as well... Im really not seeing your point?


The thing is "sanctuary cities" are allowed and protected by both federal law and state laws (if they have the states/cities have them on the books)... So again, I guess I'm confused on how you drew the conclusion that "i dislike the constitution"?

No, they are contradictory law.

Law at a local level that does not mesh with State and/or Federal laws on immigration. If it were otherwise then we would have nothing to discuss no matter how much you support the idea of "sanctuary cities."

 

[Mycroft]

Okay and your a conservative so I guess your "positions are predictable"

Perhaps...except I haven't stated any position and you haven't disputed any position.

I've simply responded to YOUR position and you've...well, you've pretty much spun out of control in your inability to cogently respond.

Then whats your point? Being in opposition of legislation is not allowed or something? People from all sides of the aisle from all background and from all different povs oppose legislation action on various subjects. Whats your point in pointing out that I oppose this legislation?

And this is a case in point about your inability to cogently respond.

I simply described your own actions in disregarding the Constitution and in protesting legal legislation in one of our States...actions that Obama has taken numerous time, btw.

shrug...

Hey...if you feel good doing that sort of thing, then you shouldn't get defensive about me pointing out what you are doing, showing that your actions are typical for a socialist and that they mimic that guy...Obama's...actions. I'd say that if you are proud of your actions, you should own them. Stand up for yourself, eh?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

No, they are contradictory law.

Sanctuary cities are protected by law, this is a fact.

Law at a local level that does not mesh with State and/or Federal laws on immigration. If it were otherwise then we would have nothing to discuss no matter how much you support the idea of "sanctuary cities."

Except sanctuary cities do "federal laws", and sanctuary cities "meshing" with state laws depends on a state by state basis, hence the reason Wisconsin is trying to pass this legislation...

"Although IIRIRA § 642 prohibits states and localities from barring the transfer or maintenance of
information regarding immigration status, it does not require entities to collect such information
in the first place. Reportedly, some states and localities seeking to limit assistance to federal
immigration authorities have barred agencies or officers from inquiring about persons’
immigration status, a practice sometimes described as a “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach.22
Though this method does not directly conflict with federal requirements that states and localities
permit the free exchange of information regarding persons’ immigration status" http://www.ilw.com/immigrationdaily/news/2011,0106-crs.pdf

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Perhaps...except I haven't stated any position and you haven't disputed any position.

What position are you even taking? That sanctuary cities are unconstitutional (which they arent)? That Im in opposition to this legislation (thanks for stating the obvious)? I mean what exactly is your position?

I've simply responded to YOUR position and you've...well, you've pretty much spun out of control in your inability to cogently respond.

Well all you have really done in regards to "responding to my position" is saying, "you oppose legal legislative actions in one of our fifty States."... Okay? How does one cogently respond to that? All you are really doing is just stating the obvious..

And this is a case in point about your inability to cogently respond.

"You oppose this legislation". Okay? And..... What?

I simply described your own actions in disregarding the Constitution

:doh Can you please point to where and how sanctuary cities are "against the Constitution"?

and in protesting legal legislation in one of our States...

This isnt even a sentence.
But anyways, whats your point that people are protest proposed legislation? Is that not acceptable or something? People protest proposed legislation all the time...

actions that Obama has taken numerous time, btw.

Dont really know what this means. Pretty vague statement. But anyways :shrug:

Hey...if you feel good doing that sort of thing,

Protesting legislation? Sure.

then you shouldn't get defensive about me pointing out what you are doing,

What am I doing? Being against a piece of legislation?

showing that your actions are typical for a socialist

Being against legislation or protesting legislation is typical for socialists?

and that they mimic that guy...Obama's...actions.

This is really going nowhere.

I'd say that if you are proud of your actions, you should own them. Stand up for yourself, eh?

I dont even know what Im standing up against right now, because all you have done is, maybe called sanctuary cities uncsontituional, but then you did not provide any substance to back up this fact. You then pointed out the obvious that I am against this legislation. Then you kinda ranted and loosely associated maybe the act of protest to both socialists and Obama. I mean all you have done is gone on an incoherent ramble....

 

[Mycroft]

I dont even know what Im standing up against right now, because all you have done is, maybe called sanctuary cities uncsontituional, but then you did not provide any substance to back up this fact. You then pointed out the obvious that I am against this legislation. Then you kinda ranted and loosely associated maybe the act of protest to both socialists and Obama. I mean all you have done is gone on an incoherent ramble....

I've said nothing about what you are "standing up against" and I've certainly said nothing about sanctuary cities.

Exactly what are you talking about?

 

[jimbo]

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Immigrants? No

Illegal border invaders? You damn bet they are.

The real question is why are these laws necessary? Federal government has three legitimate functions.

Fight the wars
Facilitate interstate travel and commerce
Protect the borders