Are you saying it's impossible for God to have a Son Who was human and only human? Are you saying it's impossible for God to have that human be our Savior? Last I recall, with God, all things are possible.
Strawman. i never said that. Christ himself claimed who he was. That he was the Son of God. That He and God are one and that they have always existed.
Yep a human could never be our Savior. Humans are born to sin. Therefore if Christ was all human then he would have been born into sin.
However Christ was not born all human He was born as God made flesh.
If you'll check, Jesus didn't just "raise himself" - He was quickened by the Holy Spirit.
Since he and the Holy Spirit are one does it really make a difference?
To "commend my spirit" means "I entrust my spirit". The Bible doesn't say that Jesus' spirit didn't die. The Bible doesn't say, "well, Jesus didn't really die all the way, you see - He only died part of the way, not all the way", does it? No it doesn't. The Bible says that Jesus DIED, and that He was quickened by the Holy Spirit. If Jesus didn't die all the way, then His sacrifice wasn't total.
yep he did die but your spirit never dies. your spirit is immortal. only the lake of fire can destroy a spirit. His physical earthly body died.
Again, by claiming that Jesus didn't really die all the way, you're doubting God. Do you not believe that God can send His Holy Spirit to bring back not just the body but also the spirit from the dead?
Not at all but then again you are twisting what i said so it doesn't matter.
Really? That's one of the most common dodges used by someone who's not able to argue against a point: claiming "the experts proved otherwise" while at the same time providing no such proof that the "experts" did. And this is going to be particularly difficult for you to disprove since the "Baal trinity" was around long before any of the verses that trinitarians like to use to 'prove' Jesus' alleged divinity were written (except for one in Genesis which is handily disproved). You see, you're not arguing a=gainst me - you're arguing against the Catholic theologians who wrote that Baal was indeed part of a trinity.
It isn't a dodge at all. It is a fact. Theologians across the times have already debunked this myth which isn't very old by the way. it is relatively new.
There is no connection between God, Jesus and the holy spirit and any other religions beliefs.
Is the Trinity Pagan?
the canaanites had many gods not just 3. picking 3 gods out of a religion and going see trinity is not correct and very dishonest. see the link above and it addresses everything that you just claimed. not that i doubt it will matter.
BTW, the claims that God referred to the "trinity" when He said "Let us create man in our image" is a grand assumption on the part of trinitarians. While God could indeed have been doing such - if the "trinity" were true - what's happening here is that trinitarians see that verse and demand that it must mean what they say it means without looking at any other possibilities...and there are at least two other possibilities for the meanings of that verse: the less likely one is that God is speaking to His angels as an adult would to small children by saying "Let's clean up the room" or "Let's build a snowman"; the more likely one is that God is referring to himself with the
plural of respect, a humorous example of which is the old parody of the English queen, "We are not amused". But you'll be surprised to see how often the plural of respect is used in the Old Testament in the Hebrew, but was changed to the singular by the Catholic saint Jerome when he wrote the Latin Vulgate.
Not really as it is just the foundation of several other verses that do in fact support that.
However to address this further.
God says that He will not share His Glory with anyone.
I am the Lord, that is My name;
I will not give My glory to another,
Nor My praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8
For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Matthew 16:26-27
So here we show that Christ is getting glory from God. That is not possible according to Isaiah unless Christ is indeed part of God.
Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5
This is Christ speaking. So this shows that Christ was with God and a part of God before the world was. That is not possible unless Christ said he was who He was.
Again, I once believed as you did. I grew up Southern Baptist and was at varying times Episcopalian, Methodist, Lutheran, and even went to the Presbyterian and Catholic denominations for a while. Your link didn't tell me anything I haven't already read or seen - or believed - before.
Look, I understand how all this seems to you, just as it seemed to me when it was first presented to me. But this is not a matter of "I'm right and you're wrong", of the merely puerile debate that we find on political forums. This is a matter of the salvation of our very souls. You owe it to yourself and to everyone you hold dear to make doggone sure that you and they are part of the true Faith. There's over 30,000 "Christian" denominations out there, every one of which is claiming that they're the true faith - you need to be very, very careful that you are choosing to follow the right one.
Yep it is a matter of salvation of peoples souls and those people are you trying to lead astray by saying Christ is not who he said he was.
Yep i am part of the true faith according to the bible not some hearsay that was condemned 2000 years ago.
the only true faith is what is written in the bible according to God's word. anything else is false doctrine and should not be paid attention to.
I'll leave you with something about my favorite verses, from Romans 10:
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
As you can see, one cannot believe unless one hears the Gospel; one cannot hear the Gospel unless one it is preached; and one cannot preach unless he is sent by God to preach the Gospel. You can't just read the Bible and believe that you are led to salvation: you must receive the Gospel from one that is sent to preach the Gospel. There is no other way.
Actually that is not correct. It is the Holy Spirit that calls people to Christ. It is the Holy spirit that calls people to preach.
People that teach that Christ is not God and is not a part of God and is not the Alpha and Omega and the King of Kings and Lord of Lords that He claimed to be simply are not Christians.
in fact it is very anti-christian to profess you are a Christian yet claim Christ was not who He said he was.
The pharasee's believed the same thing. They got it wrong 2000 years ago as well.
