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Im still right though, aren't I? We have socialists here who would love nothing more than to see open borders.
I can only speak for myself.
Im still right though, aren't I? We have socialists here who would love nothing more than to see open borders.
I live in CA, we already tried it, there are plenty of ways around it, and since many illegals work under the table its not going to work anyway.
Nothing you can think of has not been tried.
You'd be fine with illegal immigration, I am not.
Pro-illegals often utter that line "the only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans". President Obama is a pro-illegal.So I seriously doubt he was trying to be funny.
With all due respect, all politicians are pro-illegal. How do you think you get your astonishingly low-cost produce and goods? A lot of Americans talk up a good game of being against illegal immigrant labor, but if the cost of our goods actually corresponded to the wages paid to American citizens, everyone would scream to kingdom come. So that's the game: make a show of being against illegal immigrants, but do everything in their power to keep them here (and then quickly get rid of them when they services are complete) to keep the populace happy.
Mine played by the rules, too. Did it take your ancestors ten plus years of waiting, or did they enter through Ellis Island?
They entered through Ellis Island. I don't know how long it took, but I was curious about your ten+ years of waiting and Googled a bit. According to one site:
Once your application for naturalization is filed, the approval time to become a US citizen varies by person and location. The short answer is that it can take anywhere from 5 to 8 months between application and interview. If you live in an area with heavy immigrant populations, it is not unusual to wait 2 years or more to become a US citizen. The USCIS (US Citizenship and Immigration Services or Immigration Services) claims to be working on reducing the processing time for naturalization to approximately 6 months. However, that goal has not yet been reached.
How Long Does it Take to Become a U.S. Citizen After Filing My Application for Naturalization?
According to the USCIS: "The time it takes to be naturalized varies by location. USCIS is continuing to modernize and improve the naturalization process and would like to decrease the
time it takes to an average of 6 months after the Form N-400 is filed." http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/article/chapter3.pdf
From another immigration helper site:
The US citizenship process can take less than a year or several years. Part of the variation depends on where you are with your application right now. If you are not a legal permanent resident of the United States, this is your first step. If you wish to become a US citizen and neither of your parents are US citizens, you’ll first need to immigrate to the United States and become a legal permanent resident. Once that is completed, a process that alone can take a few years, you’ll need to remain in the United States and establish permanent residency for five years, without extended absences. Once the five years are up, you will then be able to apply for naturalization. If you take active part in the American armed forces or are married to a US citizen, the residency requirement may be far smaller. For example, a person married to a US citizen may only need to wait three years after getting permanent residency in order to apply for US citizenship.
Assuming that you already are a permanent resident and have established residency in the United States for the required amount of time, the actual US citizenship application process can take between six months to year, or even more. To begin the citizenship process, you will need to file USCIS form N-400. Processing of this form can take a little as six months or more than a year. Any mistakes on your form can delay the process considerably, so it is important to fill out the application for citizenship (N-400) as accurately and as fully as possible. You may want to get additional help with the application process to ensure that your citizenship request is not delayed due to a preventable mistake. How Long Does the US Citizenship Process Take? | US Immigration News
I know just about nothing about immigration policies and procedures. Are you saying, Helix, that the average time to become a naturalized citizen is over ten years?
I'm fine with more border security if we address the root causes and update the immigration system.
Running every job through everify is a way to enforce the law and make it unprofitable for employers to hire undocumented workers. Are you against that?
I'm for fixing the system so that we don't have to have the same debate again in fifteen years.
it really depends on where you are coming from.
Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner says it takes 25 years to obtain citizenship legally and just 13 years for illegal immigrants under Senate bill | PolitiFact Wisconsin
Changing the immigration system will never address the problem, and changing it the way you suggest (let everyone in) will do nothing but destroy us. There's a good reason NO modern country has such an immigration system.
The moment you start to allow them to stay and file for amnesty you're guaranteeing an influx of illegals and the same debate forever going forward.
Actually, you're and he are talking nonsense. No matter how long the paperwork takes for citizenship that's not the issue. In the meantime you have already been given permanent residency status. That means they are here legally, can work, get a license, etc. They just can't vote yet.
Yeah he didn't make up that line, and I suspect he believes it.
No, it won't. Everify helps, heck we used to use I9s. The only difference is the rapid response on verification. Neither system shields against identity theft. And it won't even touch under the table business.
Not they are not.With all due respect, all politicians are pro-illegal.
How do you think you get your astonishingly low-cost produce and goods? A lot of Americans talk up a good game of being against illegal immigrant labor, but if the cost of our goods actually corresponded to the wages paid to American citizens, everyone would scream to kingdom come. So that's the game: make a show of being against illegal immigrants, but do everything in their power to keep them here (and then quickly get rid of them when they services are complete) to keep the populace happy.
sure it will. every job goes through everify, and fines for noncompliance should be crushing. like business ending fines, even if you subcontract so that you can pretend that you don't know. and we use those fines to fund enforcement.
now speaking realistically, this will never happen, because the industries which are the draw for illegal labor have too much lobbying power. but we're on an internet message board, which gives us the luxury of coming up with a real solution. in reality, if you don't like illegal immigration, the only thing you can really do is not buy the products of businesses that depend on it. good luck with that, though.
You're arguing for an Ellis Island system, what in the heck do you think that entails?
Once again you ignore reality and history. EVerify, once it's mature (it doesn't work very well just yet), is an important tool. However, it's not the panacea you think it is. It's becoming clear you've never used the system and don't really know what it's for or how easy it is to get around it.
they're here, and we aren't going to deport all of them. it's just not going to happen. the best that we can do is to bring them out of the underground economy and to enact some measures that will make it more difficult for this scenario to happen again.
That first is a ridiculous strawman that has been debunked in virtually every thread this board has ever had where it comes to illegals and still the shippers trot it out. And no, the best we can do is to put out the message through word and deed that if you are here illegally you get nothing and when we catch you we WILL take everything you've accumulated here and deport you, no matter your sob story.
it entails not waiting ten years to become an American, but it does not entail open borders. i support a compromise system that makes it easier to become an American, but not a guarantee.
i don't agree. i think the best that we can do is to enact a realistic immigration system, and make it very unprofitable for businesses which violate the rules. jobs are a big part of the draw.