The Assault Rifle Does it Again[W:265, 507]

[jamesrage]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Yeah you're still not getting it.

People are saying "BIG SCARY RIFLE KILLING OUR KIDS" and you're explaining barrel lengths.

Mentioning that a AR-15 is not an assault rifle is not explaining lengths.It is explaining the fact AR-15s are not assault rifles and not weapons the military uses.

This isn't the route you should be taking. I'm aware that an AR-15 isn't actually an assault rifle. I'm trying to explain to you that arguing over terminology isn't changing anyone's mind.

If terminology is not changing anyone's mind, then why are you and others in the anti-2nd amendment crowd purposely misusing a term in order to imply a firearm is something it is not? The only reason for calling an AR-15 an assault rifle is to falsely give the impression it is something the military uses. Its why the term "assault weapon" was invented, to falsely give the impression that firearm is something the military uses in order to push for bans. It why anti-2nd amendment trash in the media use terms like assault rifle, assault weapon, military style, military assault style weapon when describing particular civilian firearms. So please do not insult everyones' intelligence here by trying to claim terms used by the anti-2nd amendment side are not used to change peoples minds. If Huffingtonpost wasn't trying to change anyone's mind then they wouldn't be using terms like assault-style anywhere in their articles about mass shootings.

 

[Deuce]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Mentioning that a AR-15 is not an assault rifle is not explaining lengths.It is explaining the fact AR-15s are not assault rifles and not weapons the military uses.




If terminology is not changing anyone's mind, then why are you and others in the anti-2nd amendment crowd purposely misusing a term in order to imply a firearm is something it is not? The only reason for calling an AR-15 an assault rifle is to falsely give the impression it is something the military uses. Its why the term "assault weapon" was invented, to falsely give the impression that firearm is something the military uses in order to push for bans. It why anti-2nd amendment trash in the media use terms like assault rifle, assault weapon, military style, military assault style weapon when describing particular civilian firearms. So please do not insult everyones' intelligence here by trying to claim terms used by the anti-2nd amendment side are not used to change peoples minds. If Huffingtonpost wasn't trying to change anyone's mind then they wouldn't be using terms like assault-style anywhere in their articles about mass shootings.

Let me ask you this:

Do you think there's a major difference in the lethality of an AR-15 vs. an M4 or M16, the military weapons an AR-15 is closest to?

And by "lethality," I mean overall capacity for mayhem and death. Like if two guys were shooting up identical crowds and one used an AR-15 while the other used an M4, would the outcome be substantially different?

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Let me ask you this:

Do you think there's a major difference in the lethality of an AR-15 vs. an M4 or M16, the military weapons an AR-15 is closest to?

And by "lethality," I mean overall capacity for mayhem and death. Like if two guys were shooting up identical crowds and one used an AR-15 while the other used an M4, would the outcome be substantially different?

assuming the same training, or lack thereof-NO

that is why banning machine guns (and when I mean that-hand held select fire weapons) is moronic

and btw the term "assault" used for military weapons has nothing to do with "criminal attack" which is why gun restrictionists have adopted that term to slur semi auto rifles

 

[American]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

So, we've all been reading about this latest Huston shooting shooting, and this is exactly why such weapons should not be in the streets:


Houston Shooter Fired 212 Rounds, Outgunned Police With America's Favorite Rifle



Here's what he was able to do to just a cop winshield:

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How many gangs around the country have these things, or Mac 9s etc?

So it was fully automatic?

 

[blackjack50]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

So, we've all been reading about this latest Huston shooting shooting, and this is exactly why such weapons should not be in the streets:


Houston Shooter Fired 212 Rounds, Outgunned Police With America's Favorite Rifle



Here's what he was able to do to just a cop winshield:

View attachment 67202116

How many gangs around the country have these things, or Mac 9s etc?

It seems that the most effective weapon here was a "sniper rifle" of unknown make.

By the way, did you know that frequently gangs are purchasing "homemade" firearms with fake serial numbers made in places like Danao Philippines. Tell me. How much gun control will make those guns possible to stop?

FURTHERMORE: from your article...

1) A civilian was also involved in assisting stop this guy. Firing at him, but this guy has already taken a position that was difficult to remove him from (and requires civilian to allow LEOs to use their home as a shooting platform to take him on).

2) It also incorrectly states that something in this guy "snapped." People don't snap. He had PTSD after 2 tours in Afghanistan. He had inadequate care. And he waited to ambush someone he KNEW.

Yet again you are blaming the tool for the errors made by humans and the system that failed him. One more reason to distrust government to help us with our problems.

 

[ocean515]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Mentioning that a AR-15 is not an assault rifle is not explaining lengths.It is explaining the fact AR-15s are not assault rifles and not weapons the military uses.




If terminology is not changing anyone's mind, then why are you and others in the anti-2nd amendment crowd purposely misusing a term in order to imply a firearm is something it is not? The only reason for calling an AR-15 an assault rifle is to falsely give the impression it is something the military uses. Its why the term "assault weapon" was invented, to falsely give the impression that firearm is something the military uses in order to push for bans. It why anti-2nd amendment trash in the media use terms like assault rifle, assault weapon, military style, military assault style weapon when describing particular civilian firearms. So please do not insult everyones' intelligence here by trying to claim terms used by the anti-2nd amendment side are not used to change peoples minds. If Huffingtonpost wasn't trying to change anyone's mind then they wouldn't be using terms like assault-style anywhere in their articles about mass shootings.

Great posts!

As further evidence of your conclusions regarding the use of the term "assault rifle" , consider what the Kalifornia Assembly just passed.

California lawmakers invoke UCLA shooting in passing gun-control bills - LA Times

The Assembly also approved a measure prohibiting the sale of semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines that can be removed with a “bullet button.” Those who already own such bills would have to register them with the state as “assault rifles.”​

So, assuming the Senate rubber stamps the Assembly's continuing march towards a totalitarian State, and Jerry Brown signs the new legislation, any semi-auto rifle with a button release detachable magazine would need to be registered and classified as an "assault rifle".

And the anti-constitution crowd says not to worry about Constitutional Rights, it's just about safety.

 

[justabubba]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Great posts!

As further evidence of your conclusions regarding the use of the term "assault rifle" , consider what the Kalifornia Assembly just passed.

California lawmakers invoke UCLA shooting in passing gun-control bills - LA Times

The Assembly also approved a measure prohibiting the sale of semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines that can be removed with a “bullet button.” Those who already own such bills would have to register them with the state as “assault rifles.”​

So, assuming the Senate rubber stamps the Assembly's continuing march towards a totalitarian State, and Jerry Brown signs the new legislation, any semi-auto rifle with a button release detachable magazine would need to be registered and classified as an "assault rifle".

And the anti-constitution crowd says not to worry about Constitutional Rights, it's just about safety.

share with us how that impaired your right to bear arms

 

[Deuce]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

assuming the same training, or lack thereof-NO

that is why banning machine guns (and when I mean that-hand held select fire weapons) is moronic

and btw the term "assault" used for military weapons has nothing to do with "criminal attack" which is why gun restrictionists have adopted that term to slur semi auto rifles

Ok, great. We agree. There's not a substantive difference between the two.

So why are you guys focusing so much on the terminology? "IT DOESNT HAVE FULL AUTO AND THE BARREL IS SHORTER" when you, like me, realize that this isn't that important of a distinction?

These people are talking about weapons with a large capacity for dealing death. It doesn't matter what you call the stupid thing. They just see a potential for great harm. AR-15's have the ability to be used for great harm.

Your response should be what mine was, just a page or two ago: They can be used that way.

But they aren't. "Assault weapons" are only very, very rarely used in committing crimes (or self-defense for that matter), so it's hard to convince me that they're some huge problem that needs to be solved. Maybe it's just availability, right? All those strict laws make it harder for criminals to get them? Wait. We can take a page from your playbook there: every time there's a shooting in Chicago you guys are gloating "SO MUCH FOR THEM GUN FREE ZONES EH?" You're right. City-level gun laws have no effect because of **** like this:

Yeah. Guns aren't hard to get in Chicago. Apparently you can get some .50cal rifles in these shops.

So, despite being able to buy THE GUNS IN QUESTION just down the road, for some reason we still don't see them used in crimes very often.

If I were a betting man, it's because criminals like to stay concealed up until the actual crime is committed, and then become concealed again soon after. These goals are more challenging with a > 3 hunk of metal strapped to your back.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Ok, great. We agree. There's not a substantive difference between the two.

So why are you guys focusing so much on the terminology? "IT DOESNT HAVE FULL AUTO AND THE BARREL IS SHORTER" when you, like me, realize that this isn't that important of a distinction?

These people are talking about weapons with a large capacity for dealing death. It doesn't matter what you call the stupid thing. They just see a potential for great harm. AR-15's have the ability to be used for great harm.

Your response should be what mine was, just a page or two ago: They can be used that way.

But they aren't. "Assault weapons" are only very, very rarely used in committing crimes (or self-defense for that matter), so it's hard to convince me that they're some huge problem that needs to be solved. Maybe it's just availability, right? All those strict laws make it harder for criminals to get them? Wait. We can take a page from your playbook there: every time there's a shooting in Chicago you guys are gloating "SO MUCH FOR THEM GUN FREE ZONES EH?" You're right. City-level gun laws have no effect because of **** like this:

Yeah. Guns aren't hard to get in Chicago. Apparently you can get some .50cal rifles in these shops.

So, despite being able to buy THE GUNS IN QUESTION just down the road, for some reason we still don't see them used in crimes very often.

If I were a betting man, it's because criminals like to stay concealed up until the actual crime is committed, and then become concealed again soon after. These goals are more challenging with a > 3 hunk of metal strapped to your back.

here is what you don't get. concealability is more important to 99% of the criminals than the actual "power" of the weapon. Its why so few criminals use big heavy battle rifles which are certainly more lethal than handguns. The reason why we constantly correct gun banners on terminology is because gun banners have made lying an important part of their arsenal since the FDR days. AR 15s are rarely used in crime. They have dozens of legitimate uses including self defense. the VPC deliberately tried to convince the low wattage members of the public that those rifles were only for killing and only weapons of war. The VPC told gullible members of the MSM to deliberately confuse people so they would see "assault weapon" when there were movies of Rambo shooting up say a command center or Chuck Norris hosing down some jihadist scum bags with machine guns.

the goal was to ban guns that had low criminal value, lots of "legitimate uses" and so forth to set a precedent to ban handguns as well. I will note that the statist scum bags hate semi auto rifles more than handguns because they see semi auto rifles as the weapons of patriots and that group upsets them far more than armed criminals with their handguns

 

[ocean515]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

share with us how that impaired your right to bear arms

Kamala Harris backs closing loophole in California assault weapons ban - LA Times

It is the obsession of liberal/socialist progressives who run California to void the Constitutional Rights of gun owners. As detailed above, the Totalitarian State they are building includes a desire to deal with the Constitutional Right to bear arms. Seeking an outright ban of "assault weapons", the re-characterization of any rifle that has a magazine release into an "assault weapon" is another step in their objective.

Add in the additional passage of a new bill that "allows employers, co-workers, teachers, mental health professionals and school administrators to also petition the court for gun-possession restraining orders", and the march is quite obvious. In response, "Sen. Rocky Chavez (R-Oceanside) said the bill is "clearly an overreach” and goes too far in infringing on 2nd Amendment rights and allows the courts to take away guns without sufficient due process."​

So, you were saying?

 

[jamesrage]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Let me ask you this:

Do you think there's a major difference in the lethality of an AR-15 vs. an M4 or M16, the military weapons an AR-15 is closest to?

And by "lethality," I mean overall capacity for mayhem and death. Like if two guys were shooting up identical crowds and one used an AR-15 while the other used an M4, would the outcome be substantially different?

They fire the same size round, so no.The Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle also fires the same size round.

Are you trying to say that this is less lethal because it looks like what some would call a more traditional looking hunting rifle than a AR-15?

 

[justabubba]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Kamala Harris backs closing loophole in California assault weapons ban - LA Times

It is the obsession of liberal/socialist progressives who run California to void the Constitutional Rights of gun owners. As detailed above, the Totalitarian State they are building includes a desire to deal with the Constitutional Right to bear arms. Seeking an outright ban of "assault weapons", the re-characterization of any rifle that has a magazine release into an "assault weapon" is another step in their objective.

Add in the additional passage of a new bill that "allows employers, co-workers, teachers, mental health professionals and school administrators to also petition the court for gun-possession restraining orders", and the march is quite obvious. In response, "Sen. Rocky Chavez (R-Oceanside) said the bill is "clearly an overreach” and goes too far in infringing on 2nd Amendment rights and allows the courts to take away guns without sufficient due process."​

So, you were saying?

you still need to show us how that impairs your right to bear arms

i will look forward to your explanation

 

[ocean515]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

you still need to show us how that impairs your right to bear arms

i will look forward to your explanation

LOL.

I need add nothing more. The facts are in evidence.

I led the horse to water, I can't force you to drink it, or even understand that it's water you're staring at.

I'll leave it to you to explain how gun bans, or restraining orders without due process, don't impair anyone's right to bear arms.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

you still need to show us how that impairs your right to bear arms

i will look forward to your explanation

why do you ask such clearly dishonest questions? if you can have your firearms taken away without due process, that violates the Second as applied to the states by the 14th. If you cannot own certain firearms that too violates the second as applied to the state through incorporation.

 

[Deuce]

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here is what you don't get.

Oh for ****'s sake this is why I hate talking to you people. You're so caught up in this caricature of a liberal you've created in your brain that you're literally not even reading posts and just responding to what you imagine I believe.

And your buddy Jamesrage who "liked" your post clearly didn't read what I wrote either. Christ, you people can't even tell when somebody is agreeing with you.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

LOL.

I need add nothing more. The facts are in evidence.

I led the horse to water, I can't force you to drink it, or even understand that it's water you're staring at.

I'll leave it to you to explain how gun bans, or restraining orders without due process, don't impair anyone's right to bear arms.

I suspect we will get the crap that if you can own one gun or if you once could own a gun, your rights under the 2A are not "infringed"

 

[Deuce]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

They fire the same size round, so no.The Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle also fires the same size round.

Are you trying to say that this is less lethal because it looks like what some would call a more traditional looking hunting rifle than a AR-15?
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No, I'm not saying that at all and if you'd bothered to pay attention to my posting trends in this thread you'd have figured that out already.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Oh for ****'s sake this is why I hate talking to you people. You're so caught up in this caricature of a liberal you've created in your brain that you're literally not even reading posts and just responding to what you imagine I believe.

Uh wrong-try again. What you don't get is that so many on the left lie about terms so those who are pro freedom have become a bit picky when it comes to the use of terms since we have seen so many lies

 

[justabubba]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

LOL.

I need add nothing more. The facts are in evidence.

I led the horse to water, I can't force you to drink it, or even understand that it's water you're staring at.

I'll leave it to you to explain how gun bans, or restraining orders without due process, don't impair anyone's right to bear arms.

show us what impaired your ability to bear arms

there is nothing

which is why you avoid acknowledging that reality

 

[jimbo]

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here is what you don't get. concealability is more important to 99% of the criminals than the actual "power" of the weapon. Its why so few criminals use big heavy battle rifles which are certainly more lethal than handguns. The reason why we constantly correct gun banners on terminology is because gun banners have made lying an important part of their arsenal since the FDR days. AR 15s are rarely used in crime. They have dozens of legitimate uses including self defense. the VPC deliberately tried to convince the low wattage members of the public that those rifles were only for killing and only weapons of war. The VPC told gullible members of the MSM to deliberately confuse people so they would see "assault weapon" when there were movies of Rambo shooting up say a command center or Chuck Norris hosing down some jihadist scum bags with machine guns.

the goal was to ban guns that had low criminal value, lots of "legitimate uses" and so forth to set a precedent to ban handguns as well. I will note that the statist scum bags hate semi auto rifles more than handguns because they see semi auto rifles as the weapons of patriots and that group upsets them far more than armed criminals with their handguns

True. And also one of the target weapons of the gun banners is the .50 sniper rifle. I'd like to see a list of the crimes committed using a 50 #, $10,000 weapon using five dollar a round cartridges.

Or for that matter a post 1968 full auto. Even a tricked out Ruger 10/22 makes the list.

Gun control is not about guns. It's about control.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Ok, great. We agree. There's not a substantive difference between the two.

So why are you guys focusing so much on the terminology? "IT DOESNT HAVE FULL AUTO AND THE BARREL IS SHORTER" when you, like me, realize that this isn't that important of a distinction?

So you are basically saying how dare you criticize us for using false terminology?

These people are talking about weapons with a large capacity for dealing death. It doesn't matter what you call the stupid thing. They just see a potential for great harm. AR-15's have the ability to be used for great harm.

It matters enough to the anti-2nd amendment crowd that they would purposely call an AR-15 an assault rifle and invented term the term "assault weapon" in order to confuse people into thinking AR-15 and certain other civilian firearms are military weapons that should be banned. So don't sit there and act like that is not an important distinction.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

True. And also one of the target weapons of the gun banners is the .50 sniper rifle. I'd like to see a list of the crimes committed using a 50 #, $10,000 weapon using five dollar a round cartridges.

Or for that matter a post 1968 full auto. Even a tricked out Ruger 10/22 makes the list.

Gun control is not about guns. It's about control.

gun control has two real motivations when coming from Bannnerrhoid politicians

1) to pander to the hysterical low wattage sheeple who demand SOMETHING be done every time there is a massacre

2) to try to bleed the NRA of money and membership because the Democrat party is mad that the NRA called out the Democrat gun control schemes as a placebo to control crime

 

[Deuce]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Uh wrong-try again. What you don't get is that so many on the left lie about terms so those who are pro freedom have become a bit picky when it comes to the use of terms since we have seen so many lies

I will try again. Let's review my post:

-snip-

But they aren't. "Assault weapons" are only very, very rarely used in committing crimes (or self-defense for that matter), so it's hard to convince me that they're some huge problem that needs to be solved. Maybe it's just availability, right? All those strict laws make it harder for criminals to get them? Wait. We can take a page from your playbook there: every time there's a shooting in Chicago you guys are gloating "SO MUCH FOR THEM GUN FREE ZONES EH?" You're right. City-level gun laws have no effect because of **** like this:

(image snip)

Yeah. Guns aren't hard to get in Chicago. Apparently you can get some .50cal rifles in these shops.

So, despite being able to buy THE GUNS IN QUESTION just down the road, for some reason we still don't see them used in crimes very often.

If I were a betting man, it's because criminals like to stay concealed up until the actual crime is committed, and then become concealed again soon after. These goals are more challenging with a > 3 hunk of metal strapped to your back.

And your response:

here is what you don't get. concealability is more important to 99% of the criminals than the actual "power" of the weapon. Its why so few criminals use big heavy battle rifles which are certainly more lethal than handguns. The reason why we constantly correct gun banners on terminology is because gun banners have made lying an important part of their arsenal since the FDR days. AR 15s are rarely used in crime. They have dozens of legitimate uses including self defense. the VPC deliberately tried to convince the low wattage members of the public that those rifles were only for killing and only weapons of war. The VPC told gullible members of the MSM to deliberately confuse people so they would see "assault weapon" when there were movies of Rambo shooting up say a command center or Chuck Norris hosing down some jihadist scum bags with machine guns.

the goal was to ban guns that had low criminal value, lots of "legitimate uses" and so forth to set a precedent to ban handguns as well. I will note that the statist scum bags hate semi auto rifles more than handguns because they see semi auto rifles as the weapons of patriots and that group upsets them far more than armed criminals with their handguns

So, tell me again that I want to ban so-called assault weapons.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

No, I'm not saying that at all and if you'd bothered to pay attention to my posting trends in this thread you'd have figured that out already.

The anti-2nd amendment side in general seems to think it is less lethal.
If the story involved a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle or some other traditional looking semi-auto firearm would anyone would call it an assault rifle,even if that semi-auto used something big enough to kill a deer, bear or moose?

 

[blackjack50]

Re: The Assault Rifle Does it Again

Great posts!

As further evidence of your conclusions regarding the use of the term "assault rifle" , consider what the Kalifornia Assembly just passed.

California lawmakers invoke UCLA shooting in passing gun-control bills - LA Times

The Assembly also approved a measure prohibiting the sale of semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines that can be removed with a “bullet button.” Those who already own such bills would have to register them with the state as “assault rifles.”​

So, assuming the Senate rubber stamps the Assembly's continuing march towards a totalitarian State, and Jerry Brown signs the new legislation, any semi-auto rifle with a button release detachable magazine would need to be registered and classified as an "assault rifle".

And the anti-constitution crowd says not to worry about Constitutional Rights, it's just about safety.

Which would not include the dreaded AK-47 if I'm not mistaken. Isn't that the preferred weapon of our enemies? And communists?


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