Should Anti Gay Stickers be Allowed in School?[W:937]

[X Factor]

Inspired by this:

Anti-Gay Stickers At High School In Indio Touch Off Debate: Hate Speech Or Free Speech? « CBS Los Angeles

The follow up to the story is that the school reversed it's decision and they are not allowed. My first impulse is to say no. What possible purpose would that serve? Why would you even want to ID yourself that way? On the flip side, pro gay symbols are allowed and would anyone object to, say, anti Christian symbols? How about anti Jewish symbols? Taking all that into consideration, I still think no, but I'd think that would need to be consistent. What do you think?

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[jamesrage]

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The follow up to the story is that the school reversed it's decision and they are not allowed. My first impulse is to say no. What possible purpose would that serve? Why would you even want to ID yourself that way? On the flip side, pro gay symbols are allowed and would anyone object to, say, anti Christian symbols? How about anti Jewish symbols? Taking all that into consideration, I still think no, but I'd think that would need to be consistent. What do you think?

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If pro-gay stickers are allowed in school the so should "anti-gay" stickers. If one isn't allowed then the other shouldn't be allowed as well.

 

[X Factor]

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If pro-gay stickers are allowed in school the so should "anti-gay" stickers. If one isn't allowed then the other shouldn't be allowed as well.

That seems to make the most sense. In fact, I wish I'd made that a poll option.

 

[Phys251]

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If pro-gay stickers are allowed in school the so should "anti-gay" stickers. If one isn't allowed then the other shouldn't be allowed as well.

Replace the word "gay" with the words "African American," and say the new sentence out loud to yourself.

 

[LaylaWindu]

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Schools get to control what they feel is disruptive or allowed, that's the reality. My personal opinion is no of course not just like I wouldn't allow anti-religious stickers, anti-race stickers or anti-gender stickers etc. They are disruptive and bigoted and part of school environment.

 

[jamesrage]

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Replace the word "gay" with the words "African American," and say the new sentence out loud to yourself.

Replace the word "gay" with the word "pedophile" and say the new sentence out loud to yourself.

 

[akrunner88]

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Inspired by this:

Anti-Gay Stickers At High School In Indio Touch Off Debate: Hate Speech Or Free Speech? « CBS Los Angeles

The follow up to the story is that the school reversed it's decision and they are not allowed. My first impulse is to say no. What possible purpose would that serve? Why would you even want to ID yourself that way? On the flip side, pro gay symbols are allowed and would anyone object to, say, anti Christian symbols? How about anti Jewish symbols? Taking all that into consideration, I still think no, but I'd think that would need to be consistent. What do you think?

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Any sticker that disparages a particular group shouldn't be allowed in school, just as we don't allow any other types of bullying. I'm all for pro-gay, pro-Christian, pro-Jewish, pro-whatever.

By allowing anti-gay stickers, you are basically allowing kids to disparage gay students in a way that is deemed as bullying. I think it would depend on the context of the stickers too. I have less of an issue with "pro-traditional marriage" stickers than I do "anti-gay" stickers.

 

[_Sal]

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it's supposed to be a learning environment and as such is an opportunity to create open thoughtful and supportive human interaction

so no

 

[LaylaWindu]

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Replace the word "gay" with the words "African American," and say the new sentence out loud to yourself.

Yeah it's silly to think it should be allowed.

 

[Phys251]

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Replace the word "gay" with the word "pedophile" and say the new sentence out loud to yourself.

Shame on you for even insinuating that gays are as bad as pedophiles. They are no worse than straights. None.

But the saving grace here is that your type of beliefs are literally dying out.

 

[LaylaWindu]

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Replace the word "gay" with the word "pedophile" and say the new sentence out loud to yourself.

There are pro child rape stickers? and you think that equates to sexual orientation and race?

 

[X Factor]

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Yeah it's silly to think it should be allowed.

So no pause at all about whether it's an issue of free speech? How about if it's a bumper sticker on the kid's car (for those old enough to drive).

 

[akrunner88]

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So no pause at all about whether it's an issue of free speech? How about if it's a bumper sticker on the kid's car (for those old enough to drive).

Free speech is applicable to the government and its citizenry, it does not apply in schools, places of employment, etc. I could literally be fired right now for writing racist posts on my Facebook page if I chose to do so and one of my employers somehow could view my posts. A school can choose if they wish to, to force their students to wear uniforms (a way of preventing free speech). They can suspend or expel you for saying racist things in the hallway. I don't think free speech is the right argument to bring to this particular issue.

 

[ChezC3]

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Inspired by this:

Anti-Gay Stickers At High School In Indio Touch Off Debate: Hate Speech Or Free Speech? « CBS Los Angeles

The follow up to the story is that the school reversed it's decision and they are not allowed. My first impulse is to say no. What possible purpose would that serve? Why would you even want to ID yourself that way? On the flip side, pro gay symbols are allowed and would anyone object to, say, anti Christian symbols? How about anti Jewish symbols? Taking all that into consideration, I still think no, but I'd think that would need to be consistent. What do you think?

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The Rainbow Flag is a political symbol, as such, any symbol which is counter to it should be GLAADLY accepted.

 

[Henrin]

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Free speech is applicable to the government and its citizenry, it does not apply in schools, places of employment, etc.

Public schools are operated by the government, so free speech protections should apply in its walls.

 

[LaylaWindu]

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So no pause at all about whether it's an issue of free speech? How about if it's a bumper sticker on the kid's car (for those old enough to drive).

In a school? No. No pause at all the school has the authority to control their environment. They don't have unlimited reign but they can control speech to a degree, this has already been established.
On a bumper sticker is fine, but if that car is parked on school property then it becomes an issue again. Just like I can bring my gun to work and leave it in the car but I can't park my car on the property in the parking garage. I can park in the open lot that is general parking though and not officially work property. I don't "agree" with that but they control their property not me. I can also admit that I do it anyway but I'm breaking the rules and if they catch me I will be rightfully terminated.

 

[chromium]

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The purpose of K-12, which is a legal requirement also, is to create a *safe learning environment* If a closeted gay kid has to walk around seeing 100 of these all day long, that will have a very negative, possibly suicidal, effect just like allowing kids to walk around with swastikas (this actually happened in my 10th grade) or other intimidation tactics. It serves no possible benefit. They aren't even making a point other than "i hate fags"

"The school district said that is the stickers led to actual verbal or physical harassment, that would be going too far." - the thing is, its sole intent is to harass. My first reaction since i read the story before the follow up was those admins need to get their heads out of their ass, and they are being cowards, if not encouraging the hate speech (very often true)

Keep in mind also that this is what leads many schools to enforce uniform dress codes. That's another option. I prefer that some form of expression is tolerated, but if they're going to just abuse that to bully their minority classmates, it should be taken away.

i just know someone will go all "real world", but what job will allow this kind of behavior?

 

[akrunner88]

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Public schools are operated by the government, so free speech protections should apply in its walls.

So you would be ok with students spouting hate speech in classrooms towards gays, blacks, Christians, atheists, Muslims, etc? You don't see how such behavior could disrupt the learning process, or be construed as bullying?

And whether it should or shouldn't be allowed is irrelevant. Fact is you do not have unlimited free speech in schools, nor have we ever. The administration can set the rules within their walls how they see fit and the students have to abide by them. And if "anti-gay stickers" fit the criteria for bullying, which in my opinion they do and apparently the school as well, then the school administration has the right to prevent these stickers from entering their walls.

 

[chromium]

Re: Should Anti Gay Stickers be Allowed in School?

Public schools are operated by the government, so free speech protections should apply in its walls.

not surprising since you encourage to walk around calling each other 'gay' all the time as an insult

 

[chromium]

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So no pause at all about whether it's an issue of free speech? How about if it's a bumper sticker on the kid's car (for those old enough to drive).

can't be on school property then, should be in the handbook

but again, they can try driving that to work and see what happens. Hell, someone might even give them a beating while parked at a red light. It's just sheer idiocy

 

[X Factor]

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Any problem with kids putting NRA stickers on their IDs and notebooks? How about a pentagram?

 

[Henrin]

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not surprising since you encourage to walk around calling each other 'gay' all the time as an insult

I never did any such thing and I would appreciate it if you didn't lie about me. What I said is that as an older millennial I remember gay being used as an insult when I was in high school. I said this in response to you saying that millennials just naturally progressed towards gay acceptance, which is quite obviously bull****.

 

[LaylaWindu]

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Any problem with kids putting NRA stickers on their IDs and notebooks? How about a pentagram?

Me personally? no I'm an NRA member myself. The school gets to make that call though. For the pentagram it's the same thing, school gets to decide. For my personal choice it would depend I guess. What's the pentagram for.

 

[akrunner88]

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Any problem with kids putting NRA stickers on their IDs and notebooks? How about a pentagram?

Me personally? Not at all. And neither symbol is indicative of bullying. As long as it's allowed in the schools handbook and the administration is ok with it, I wouldn't see a problem.

 

[chromium]

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That seems to make the most sense. In fact, I wish I'd made that a poll option.

i think you miss the point that "pro" gay stickers are often an easier way for actually gay teenagers to come out, not a political statement. Thus, the anti stickers are in fact meant to harass their classmates.

It's not like the blue equal sign many changed their twitter pics to during the supreme court hearing. That was voicing an opinion, not an identity