RNC disinvites National Review as debate partner

[Top Cat]

The Republican Party is in danger of becoming fractured beyond repair.

I'm tearing up here.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Yep, it's all Obama's fault. :roll:

lol.. Classic!!

 

[Jack Hays]

RNC disinvites National Review as debate partner - POLITICO



This is a really bold move by The National Review - devoting an entire issue to taking down Trump. I would be really curious to hear from individuals that consider themselves to be conservative and Trump supporters. How do you reconcile the fact that so many individuals that are really big in the conservative realm - like Erick Erickson, Glenn Beck, and Brent Bozell - are outright actively campaigning against the individual that currently garners the most support amongst self-identified conservatives. Source Is it that you now consider these individuals to be part of the "establishment" and thus, are not "true" conservatives?

The amount of splintering that Trump is benefiting from, and simultaneously causing, within the Republican party is really quite interesting and amusing to watch.

Hmmm. Glenn Beck vs Donald Trump. I'm rooting for a scoreless tie with lots of injuries.

 

[LowDown]

RNC disinvites National Review as debate partner - POLITICO



This is a really bold move by The National Review - devoting an entire issue to taking down Trump. I would be really curious to hear from individuals that consider themselves to be conservative and Trump supporters. How do you reconcile the fact that so many individuals that are really big in the conservative realm - like Erick Erickson, Glenn Beck, and Brent Bozell - are outright actively campaigning against the individual that currently garners the most support amongst self-identified conservatives. Source Is it that you now consider these individuals to be part of the "establishment" and thus, are not "true" conservatives?

The amount of splintering that Trump is benefiting from, and simultaneously causing, within the Republican party is really quite interesting and amusing to watch.

NR acknowledges the frustration of conservatives about the GOP. They point out that Trump should serve as a warning as to what will happen if establishment GOP ignores the concerns of the base. Nevertheless, they have to oppose Trump. He's not a conservative. He has supported abortion, single payer health care, gun control, and punitive taxation of the wealthy. He is proposing tariffs on imports. He's making a lot of promises he can't hope to keep. He doesn't know anything about how the government works. Some of his ideas smack of the kind of executive over-reach that we criticize in Obama, and he is far far from being the kind of conservative that wants to limit the power and scope of government. He comes off as a crude poll obsessed political opportunist with no set principles. If he is elected it will destroy the conservative movement in the US, branding it as a heedless populism as crude as he is. In falling behind a huckster some conservatives are doing a great deal of damage to their cause.

 

[calamity]

RNC disinvites National Review as debate partner - POLITICO



This is a really bold move by The National Review - devoting an entire issue to taking down Trump. I would be really curious to hear from individuals that consider themselves to be conservative and Trump supporters. How do you reconcile the fact that so many individuals that are really big in the conservative realm - like Erick Erickson, Glenn Beck, and Brent Bozell - are outright actively campaigning against the individual that currently garners the most support amongst self-identified conservatives. Source Is it that you now consider these individuals to be part of the "establishment" and thus, are not "true" conservatives?

The amount of splintering that Trump is benefiting from, and simultaneously causing, within the Republican party is really quite interesting and amusing to watch.

I think they all regret not speaking out against Palin in 2008. They don't want to make the same mistake again.

That reminds me. I need to go visit FreeRepubulic to see what they are all saying over there.

 

[jimbo]

And the RNC and the Republican party shows yet again it is against personal freedoms, liberty and freedom of the press... /clap.

In the US, you have the right to speak your piece. I'm not aware of any right to be heard.

 

[Jack Hays]

I think they all regret not speaking out against Palin in 2008. They don't want to make the same mistake again.

That reminds me. I need to go visit FreeRepubulic to see what they are all saying over there.

Palin was merely an unready candidate. Trump threatens the GOP's raison d'etre.

 

[vesper]

The Republican Party is in danger of becoming fractured beyond repair.

yes it is and the reason? Look no further than the current Republican Congress that sold those in their party up the river who worked tirelessly to get them elected on their promises. Promises that turned out to be just hot air rhetoric. There's disgust with the establishment on both sides of the aisle. Democrats are just as discontented with Obama's crap. So you get a guy like Trump who is considered an outsider and being supported by the left and the right. The problem with that is it doesn't cure a damn thing.
In the National Review special edition "Against Trump", Mark Halprin sums up what a Trump presidency would look like.
"A Trump presidency would be yet more adventure tourism for a formerly serious republic."
He is absolutely spot on.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I am not voting for Trump in the primaries. I am not a Trump fan. That said:
No news outlet should have done anything like this to any candidate. MSNBC hasn't even done something like this. It shows their inability to present the news without an extreme bias. It bolsters the belief that they totally back the accepted cronyism and the good old boy establishment of the GOP. It could hurt them for years. They missed it backing Bush and they missed it here. The RNC did what they had to. If they are going to apply rules to NBC they have to apply the same rules to the National Review.

The National Review is not a news outlet - it is political opinion/commentary.

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[MrT]

I think they all regret not speaking out against Palin in 2008. They don't want to make the same mistake again.

That reminds me. I need to go visit FreeRepubulic to see what they are all saying over there.

Please report back what you find

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

yes it is and the reason? Look no further than the current Republican Congress that sold those in their party up the river who worked tirelessly to get them elected on their promises. Promises that turned out to be just hot air rhetoric. There's disgust with the establishment on both sides of the aisle. Democrats are just as discontented with Obama's crap. So you get a guy like Trump who is considered an outsider and being supported by the left and the right. The problem with that is it doesn't cure a damn thing.
In the National Review special edition "Against Trump", Mark Halprin sums up what a Trump presidency would look like.
"A Trump presidency would be yet more adventure tourism for a formerly serious republic."
He is absolutely spot on.

Most of what you're saying is spot on. But don't blame the left for Trump. We went through is months ago when he 1st hit the scene and many cons were blaming the left and the MSM for his popularity. Nope, he's all on the GOP. They winked and nodded at him when Trump was running around the country in 2012 with his birther nonsense.

Trump's not an idiot, he saw how much free publicity he got just on that 1 issue, and the GOP, nor Romney, none of them told him to stop. They loved that he was being a thorn in Obama's side. The GOP gave him a free hand. Well now that hand is slapping the **** out of the GOP.

Are there Lefty's and Indy's who support him? Of course. But most of the Trump phenomenon is all on the GOP.

 

[calamity]

Please report back what you find

All hell is breaking loose. A handful of the conservatives see the problem brewing, a couple others point out that Trump is not really a conservative Republican, never has been, but most of them are calling the National Review and the columnists who spoke out RINOs. It's hilarious.

 

[HowardBThiname]

But the writers of that special edition "Against Trump" is full of excellent lines of questioning to put forth to all candidates in the next debate.

And each point might be accurate, but it's unlikely it will work to Trump's disadvantage. To date, he's been running against the "establishment" and this will only give him more ammo.

His anti-establishment following will jump to his defense and the media will trumpet the story all over the world. It's already happening. This is just one more case of attacks that will likely backfire.

I can't help but think that someone(s) are behind this besides the NR, themselves. After what happened to HuffPo, why would they put their necks on the chopping block unless someone asked them to do so?

Already, Trumps using it to his advantage. I wonder what the next polls will reveal.

 

[vesper]

Most of what you're saying is spot on. But don't blame the left for Trump. We went through is months ago when he 1st hit the scene and many cons were blaming the left and the MSM for his popularity. Nope, he's all on the GOP. They winked and nodded at him when Trump was running around the country in 2012 with his birther nonsense.

Trump's not an idiot, he saw how much free publicity he got just on that 1 issue, and the GOP, nor Romney, none of them told him to stop. They loved that he was being a thorn in Obama's side. The GOP gave him a free hand. Well now that hand is slapping the **** out of the GOP.

Are there Lefty's and Indy's who support him? Of course. But most of the Trump phenomenon is all on the GOP.

I agree that the majority of them are Republicans, no doubt but poll after poll shows some of Trumps strongest support 25% are registered Democrats. That's pretty significant.

 

[calamity]

Palin was merely an unready candidate. Trump threatens the GOP's raison d'etre.

He does do that. If true, 25% of Trump's support comes from disaffected Democrats. If he wins the GOP nomination, I expect him to turn sharply Left: central planning, big government job programs, etc. He'll basically become a nationalist socialist candidate. This will be good. I look forward to seeing it all play out.

 

[cpwill]

And each point might be accurate, but it's unlikely it will work to Trump's disadvantage. To date, he's been running against the "establishment" and this will only give him more ammo.

His anti-establishment following will jump to his defense and the media will trumpet the story all over the world. It's already happening. This is just one more case of attacks that will likely backfire.

I can't help but think that someone(s) are behind this besides the NR, themselves. After what happened to HuffPo, why would they put their necks on the chopping block unless someone asked them to do so?

Already, Trumps using it to his advantage. I wonder what the next polls will reveal.

I wonder if the Palin Endorsement and the National Review campaign cancel each other out, given that both are roughly aimed at the same audience.

 

[Jack Hays]

He does do that. If true, 25% of Trump's support comes from disaffected Democrats. If he wins the GOP nomination, I expect him to turn sharply Left: central planning, big government job programs, etc. He'll basically become a nationalist socialist candidate. This will be good. I look forward to seeing it all play out.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[vesper]

And each point might be accurate, but it's unlikely it will work to Trump's disadvantage. To date, he's been running against the "establishment" and this will only give him more ammo.

His anti-establishment following will jump to his defense and the media will trumpet the story all over the world. It's already happening. This is just one more case of attacks that will likely backfire.

I can't help but think that someone(s) are behind this besides the NR, themselves. After what happened to HuffPo, why would they put their necks on the chopping block unless someone asked them to do so?

Already, Trumps using it to his advantage. I wonder what the next polls will reveal.

Actually Trump was touting his establishment support this week. He claims he has lots of those in the establishment calling wanting to be part of his team..............

Donald Trump: Establishment 'warming up' to me - WAFF-TV: News, Weather and Sports for Huntsville, AL

 

[Ntharotep]

I can't be bothered with a "press agency" that uses words like "the Donald" anyhow.
I value professionalism as well as honesty when I look to the Press.

Other than that, the RNC has a right to print a piece to tear down who they feel like. The agency they go after has the right to not invite them to their mud slinging tap-dances.

Seems like a non-issue really (it certainly seems like a shrug and smile for RNC).

Be careful what you wish for.

I wish for Morgan Freeman to be president.

 

[calamity]

I wonder if the Palin Endorsement and the National Review campaign cancel each other out, given that both are roughly aimed at the same audience.

I don't know. National Review is somewhat sane. Palin, not so much. I don't think they attract the same crowd.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I agree that the majority of them are Republicans, no doubt but poll after poll shows some of Trumps strongest support 25% are registered Democrats. That's pretty significant.

His negatives with Dems, Indy's and Moderates are very,very high too. That's probably why the establishment GOP is so scared of him. If he does get the GOP nom he has almost no chance of winning the general election. Besides his negatives with the Indy's and Mods, I doubt he's going to get much love from Blacks, women(especially if it's Hillary running against him), and Hispanics.

After the results of the 2012 election were analysed virtually every expert the GOP hired to look into why they lost in 2012 said the GOP needs to reach out and bring in other demographics besides old white people. I don't see Trump being the guy to bring in enough from these other demographics to win the general election.

 

[calamity]

Be careful what you wish for.

I have faith that this will end well.

 

[cpwill]

I don't know. National Review is somewhat sane. Palin, not so much. I don't think they attract the same crowd.

The Palin nomination was intended to protect Trump from the (accurate) charges by Cruz that he is not a conservative. It was aimed at conservatives. National Review is a conservative magazine, written and read by conservatives.

 

[calamity]

The Palin nomination was intended to protect Trump from the (accurate) charges by Cruz that he is not a conservative. It was aimed at conservatives. National Review is a conservative magazine, written and read by conservatives.

Palin is more a Tea Party shill than Conservative. After all, how many conservatives name thier kids Track, Willow and Piper? Now Bristol...that I can see.

 

[Jack Hays]

I have faith that this will end well.

That's what von Papen said.