The goal is absolutely to preserve life, but anti-choice policies are necessary to make that happen.Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.
Too wishy washy. It'd be better to say The goal is absolutely to preserve life, and pro-life policies are necessary to make it happen.The goal is absolutely to preserve life, but anti-choice policies are necessary to make that happen.
Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.
I don't think that it is an anti-choice issue. I do not believe that a party that is determined to lessen government control would completely contradict their political belief unless they felt the issue was morally wrong.Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.
Neither. I think the issue boils down to one side being pro-abortion rights, the other side being anti-abortion rights. To put it another way, one side("pro-choice") believes abortion is a right and should be legal, the other side("pro-life") feels abortion should not be a right and should not be legal. Euphemisms aside, the division boils down to whether abortion should be legal.
I disagree. Birth takes precedent, as birth happens first. It's ludicrous to say that some angry female can make it about hostility toward unborn human babies.Neither. I think the issue boils down to one side being pro-abortion rights, the other side being anti-abortion rights. To put it another way, one side("pro-choice") believes abortion is a right and should be legal, the other side("pro-life") feels abortion should not be a right and should not be legal. Euphemisms aside, the division boils down to whether abortion should be legal.
Too irrelevant. This thread isn't about conservatives being pro-choice.Too general. Lots of conservatives are pro-choice, just not many of the religious wingnuts.
I wouldn't. When someone crusades to preserve human life, that's about being pro-life, not pro-choice (abortion).I would call it anti-choice. When someone crusades desperately to limit your rights and options, that's as anti- as you can get.
Because this notion that I am "anti-choice" needs to be addressed.Why do we need another abortion poll?
Neither. I think the issue boils down to one side being-abortion rights, the other side being anti-abortion rights. To put it another way, one side("pro-choice") believes abortion is a right and should be legal, the other side("pro-life") feels abortion should not be a right and should not be legal. Euphemisms aside, the division boils down to whether abortion should be legal.
Address it on the abortion board next time if you MUST start a thread or poll on it, ok?
Do you have some sort of authority here we should be aware of?
Agreed. I detest the euphemisms in the abortion debate. IMO, they only serve to cloud the issue even further. For example, I am not aware of a single person who has ever had a medical procedure known specifically and technically as a "choice".Neither. I think the issue boils down to one side being pro-abortion rights, the other side being anti-abortion rights. To put it another way, one side("pro-choice") believes abortion is a right and should be legal, the other side("pro-life") feels abortion should not be a right and should not be legal. Euphemisms aside, the division boils down to whether abortion should be legal.
Because some things just don't go away.Why do we need another abortion poll?
No.
I deleted my message to amend it:
"I respectfully request that polls and new threads on an abortion topic be posted on the abortion board. Scattering them leads to too much redundancy and difficulty finding threads in my opinion."
Is that better?
Agreed. I detest the euphemisms in the abortion debate. IMO, they only serve to cloud the issue even further. For example, I am not aware of a single person who has ever had a medical procedure known specifically and technically as a "choice".
The procedure and issue has a valid and perfectly acceptable name: abortion. If one wanted to be accurate, albeit wordy, about it, the two sides would be "pro legalized abortion" and "anti legalized abortion". Now, if we were all adults about it... hold on, I'm sorry, I have to do something... :lamo :2razz: :lol:... there, that's better... anyway, if we were all adults about it we could shorten those to "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion", and know that they mean in the legal sense, with no down-the-rabbit-hole meaning beyond that. *sigh* Alas, those who like the euphemisms aren't interested in accuracy.
Because some things just don't go away.
Not one word about the guy that might be on the hook for child support for 18+ years.I personal think it should be up to the mother. She's the one that has to go thru the pregnancy and actually give birth. Why would anyone else have the right to tell her what she should or shouldn't have to go thru in life. I know some of the choices that we've seen made are not pretty but as sick as it is they are the ones that have to live with their choices and suffer the consequences of their choices. I think we should work towards how it should be and deal with the sad cases as we have too.
I think all the time and effort spent in debating and lobbying and stepping on individual rights should be spent on educating these girls and showing them what they cause ppls lives to be like when then make the different decisions. Give them something to do rather allow them to simply follow their desires. Should parents allow kids to eat and eat until they are so fat they can barely walk? No, the government has stopped parents from being parents and kids just follow their desires rather than learn a little before they hit life hard and end up in the gutter.
My point has been proven. That was quick. Thank you. :2wave:Around the circle we go again... No pro-choicer is pro-abortion.
I think it best to use the phrase each side MOST prefers. That is pro-life (though an arguable phrase) for those who oppose abortion and pro-choice for those who believe abortion is the woman's decision. Those who oppose abortion believe that is "pro-life" and those who believe it a woman's choice prefer "pro-choice."
I am absolutely "pro-choice" and absolutely not "pro-abortion." EVERYONE knows what Pro-life and Pro-choice means and neither side is insulted by those. "Pro-abortion" is both a lie and insult.
Nor do all Pro-lifers want abortion outlawed. Rather, they believe is is immoral but not a matter for government criminal laws. Outside of activists, I suspect much of the general public who are abstractly "pro-life" don't want women going to jail for it. In short, it really isn't just an issue of legalisms, but also morality.
Not one word about the guy that might be on the hook for child support for 18+ years.
My point has been proven. That was quick. Thank you. :2wave:
Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.