Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer
I see you're resorting to your usual tools of the trade by simply dismissing any argument you can't handle as "meaningless" and "matters not". That's not the way to argue, Excon. At least not in a mature and logical debate.
You have no clue as to debate.
Your bringing meaningless bs to a debate shows that. That your failure.
Dismissing your meaningless assertions is all that is needed.
Sorry you do not understand what is and isn't meaningful, but that again, is your failure.
Let me say this again. Kelly was clubbed by Wolfe and Ramos without cause on each side of his knee as he backed away from their vicious attack. Now you called that resisting?
You can say that as many times as you want, and any way you want to, but you are still wrong.
He was told to get on the ground.
He refused to do as ordered and then attempted to flee.
He was resisting arrest. Or do you really not understand that fleeing is resisting?
And when he was clubbed down to the ground following a short chase and was then pinned to the ground with crushing weights to the point of fractured ribs and suffocation on top of being tased multiple times and pummeled senseless into a pulp, you called his instinctive reaction to pain and preservation of life as resisting?
There is a lot of assumption and spin in what you just said.
Clubbed to the ground? Assumption and spin.
Pummeled senseless? Assumption and spin.
There is a reason for what happened to Kelly.
I know what it is and the Jury knows what it is.
You might want to learn why.
Of course, any human being in that circumstances is going to resist being beaten and crushed to death. Even if, that's a big IF, he resisted, would resisting arrest justify being crushed and pummeled senseless in the head and face to a pulp until comatose and subsequent death? Wouldn't you also have resisted under such circumstance to save your soul from such vicious attack?
Meaningless drivel.
He was resisting and was in the wrong for resisting.
Next.
Or do you think you would just lay there completely relaxed trusting they would not harm you while they had already relentlessly rained down blows after blows into your body, your head and face and tased you repeatedly in quick succession without giving you so much as a chance to even comply? And you expect Kelly or any person in that circumstance not be terrorized?
More meaningless drivel.
He was resisting and was in the wrong for resisting.
Next.
Any reasonable person viewing the tape would come to the conclusion that Ramos was there to harass and humilate Kelly with intent to stir up trouble. For a Mexican/Hispanic person to taunt Kelly, who was a White American, for not able to understand English and repeatedly asking to know what languages he spoke, if that's not an attempt to belittle and harass him, what is?
More meaningless and false drivel.
Ramos and Wolfe were there as a response to a call. No there to harass or humiliate anybody.
Kelly was playing a game pretending not to understand. That is clear form the video.
Had Kelly cooperated from the get none of this would have happened. But he didn't, and wanted to play instead.
Kelly's playing dictated how this encounter went.
You said responding to a report on Kelly is not harassing him. But, you are wrong on your fact. The caller did not specifically state it was Kelly.
Your tortures logic is irrelevant as usual.
Kelly was the guy that was called upon. Which is the call that Ramos and Wolfe responded to. It didn't have to be by name.
What an utterly absurd thing to assert.
Ramos and Wolfe did not even go to contact the caller at the restaurant where the call was made and thus nobody had even identified or pointed a finger at Kelly on the scene.
They didn't have to. What do you not understand about that?
They found property that didn't belong to him in his back pack. It is clearly stated in the video who it belonged to and that it was suspicion of a 496.
Ramos and White also didn't get any info regarding which cars were involved where the car doors who jiggled. If they had conducted their investigation properly instead of harassing a homeless man for no reason, they would have dusted the car doors for finger prints so as to match out with whoever was accused. But, they didn't.
Tortured logic again. Pay attention. They did not have to.
Instead, they went straight to Kelly whom they knew from their past dealings and acted like they had no idea who Kelly was. And then they started to harass him for a long time without just cause while Kelly was put through unreasonable commands meted out just to humiliate him which he tried to comply as best as he could until Ramos put on his gloves and threatened to f**k him up.
Wrong on all counts. This is nothing more than more tortured logic.
It was Ramos who initiated the confrontation by putting his hand on Kelly's left arm as shown in the video while Kelly was still seated in a non-threatening way on the curb with his legs extended and hands on the knees as he was told to do.
Wrong.
Doesn't work that way.
Ramos pushed his arm in the direction that he wanted him to comply. This is allowed.
Kelly was detained and it was his responsibility to do as directed. Instead, he chose to play his game.
So, don't you think Ramos' so-called investigation had already started with a conduct unbecoming of a police officer?
WTF?
Try learning how to quote specifically what you are responding to.
And Just how do you think this plays into their not being guilty of criminality? Cause I am going top tell you right now, it matters not one bit. It is as meaningless as the rest of the irrelevant bs you brought up.
But, we also know that Kelly had many previous run-ins with Ramos in which Ramos was tired of Kelly coming back sleeping at the bus depot despite being harassed by Ramos repeatedly. At one point Ramos threw away Kelly's belonging and even prevented him to go back to find his clothing and ordered him to go away in the reverse direction. With such unreasonable action on Ramos' part, Kelly didn't even reacted violently towards Ramos for his mistreatment.
:naughty
No, what we have here is your tortured logic calling prior interaction harassment, when there is nothing to suggest it was anything other than an Officer doing his job in a normal manner.
So, in this incident we can see that Ramos was itching to stir up something in order to justify his unlawful beating of Kelly that would put him out of commission, into a nursing home and away from the bus depot once and for all for good. But, the beat down was beyond his control and Kelly ended up beaten to death.
More tortured logic with biased assertions. Figures.
There was no "itching" to start anything.
There was no unlawful beating.
No matter how much you try to dismiss all these and my video links showing proper police tactics as meaningless, you are not going to get away with defending the savagery of the rogue cops who crush, tased and pummeled Kelly to his death, in particular Ramos, Cicinelli and Wolfe.
OMG the savagery of rouge Cops.
Oh noes, what ever will we do?
I will tell you what I will do. Dismiss your absurd, biased, tortured logic, false claims.
There were no rouge cops.
The videos you provided are meaningless to what happened here.
Besides me, a Jury decision says you are wrong.