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So guns on every coffeetable. Because you can't prevent it, right?
The National Institute of Mental Health is saying: "Eliminate access to firearms or other potential tools for suicide, including unsupervised access to medications."
Would you leave a gun around a son with "severe depression and suicidal thoughts"?
No, but the same paragraph you quoted also said to not leave the person alone, presumably until they get admitted to a mental health facility or hospital for an evaluation.
My understanding is the son committed the act in his own home.
It remains to be seen where, when, and under what circumstances he obtained the gun. Until then, I'll reserve judgment concerning Rick Warren.
So by your reasoning, if you can't do that, there is no point in limiting access to guns and other potential tools for suicide???
One of the problems with fundamentalist Christianity is its combination of aversion to secular psychology and its tendency to inculcate false guilt.The Southern California church headed by popular evangelical Pastor Rick Warren says his 27-year-old son has committed suicide.
Warren's Saddleback Valley Community Church said in a statement that Matthew Warren had struggled with mental illness and deep depression throughout his life.
"Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," the statement said.
"Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts. Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life."
Read more: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide | Fox News
Fair enough, but we do know that Warren was aware his son suffered from severe depression and suicidal thoughts.
Thanks for your unsubstantiated opinion there Mr. anonymous internet poster! I'll go with the studies by the National Institute of Mental Health.
No, you can limit access to guns and everything else, like knives, tools, glass, bed sheets, shoelaces, rope, pills, household cleaners, nail clippers, etc. The only realistic way I see to do that indefinitely is to lock the person up in a mental hospital. What's your plan?
And did the National Institute of Mental Health explain WHY people commit suicide?
Clearly this was not written for people who have been battling suicidal thoughts their entire life, it seems to be more of a guide for when you first recognize them. Are you saying they shouldn't have ever left him alone, and that they should have sought immediate help or called 911 daily?
They are recommending the part you didn't highlight in what you are responding to here - "Eliminate access to firearms or other potential tools for suicide, including unsupervised access to medications."
Following the precautions recommended by the National Institute of Mental Health - "Eliminate access to firearms or other potential tools for suicide, including unsupervised access to medications."
OK, but if the person is living independently in his own home it's kind of hard to do that, don't you think? I mean, let's get real and out of the fantasy realm.
They recommend all of it, the bolded part was a clear giveaway that it wasn't really applicable to this situation.
No firearms used in this suicide, right?
Yes, but they also left him alone. That seems like the biggest factor to me. He could have found plenty of other ways, but if he wasn't alone the is a very good chance that he would have been stopped.
You think his Dad did not have access to his house to check for guns? I certainly would if I had a son I knew was "severely depressed with suicidal thoughts."
Yes, they also left him alone.