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horsepuckeyThe left won't act in good faith. Nothing will be done to cut spending. There will simply be an endless set of continuing resolutions.
horsepuckeyThe left won't act in good faith. Nothing will be done to cut spending. There will simply be an endless set of continuing resolutions.
Members of Congress threatening to vote against raising the debt ceiling are behaving like children. First of all, their sudden concern for the deficit would be a lot more believable if they didn't just vote for a massive tax cut less than two weeks ago. Sure, some people want low taxes/spending and others want high taxes/spending. I understand that. But let's not pretend like the people who voted for a tax cut before any spending cuts have passed - when we already have a massive deficit - are the slightest bit concerned about it. They're just concerned about making Obama look bad.
Fortunately, John Boehner seems to be acting like a responsible adult. Enough Republicans will vote to raise the debt ceiling that it will pass.
i agree with you that we need to get our financial house in order, but trying to ram cuts down the presidents throat before you extend the ceiling? if i'm obama, i call your bluff, and let the chips fall where they may, your party has alot more to lose right now...explain to the American people why their government is shutting down, why it can't pay its bills in a timely manner........explain to the american people why the budget deficit is getting bigger because of the extra interest we have to pay to get credit...go ahead, make my day.
horsepuckey
cherrypick much? perhaps you should read through the entire thread, i believe i've mentioned both sides having skin in the game....you and conservative are twins, you think that all the cuts are going to come from the 'liberal' side...aint gonna happen.
lol you should be the last one to ever question someones credibility.....Conservative makes sound and valid points, usually backed up with fact. So if you are comparing me to him, thank you. Problem is there Greenie, I don't believe what you are saying. You do hold a certain problem with credibility.
j-mac
lol you should be the last one to ever question someones credibility.....
what have you presented other than a list? i'd start with a 10% across the board cut, and then freeze spending at that level for 5 years.Interesting that I have never seen you refute any of the data I presented but I have seen you ignore it and divert from it preferring instead to give your opinions based upon your feelings. I posted the line items in the budget so tell me what you would cut?
lol you should be the last one to ever question someones credibility.....
what have you presented other than a list? i'd start with a 10% across the board cut, and then freeze spending at that level for 5 years.
believe what you like j, i believe that you can't think outside the box and that the prospect of having to examine your beliefs terrifies you, easier to just keep your head in the sand.I have never been dishonest about my beliefs have I now...Don't you wish you could say the same?
j-mac
believe what you like j, i believe that you can't think outside the box and that the prospect of having to examine your beliefs terrifies you, easier to just keep your head in the sand.
And the unsustainable path we are on will continue. Republicans could have been the ones who stood up and said no to this, but no, they keep it going.
This country is in need of a major surgical procedure we can ironically call "cuts." You can put them off for a little while, but you have to do the surgery or we will die as a nation. I'd rather the surgery sooner rather than later, but it seems that according to the left, it's "acting like an adult" to continue to put off this surgery. Well if that's the case, i'm proud to be childish.
Expenses
Defense 696.1
International Affairs 45.2
Gen. Science, Space 30.9
Energy 11.5
Natural resources/env 41.6
Agriculture 23.2
Commerce -82.9
Transportation 92.5
Community Dev 24.5
Education/Train/Social 125.1
Health 369
Medicare 451.6
Income Security 624
Social Security 706.7
Veterans Benefits 108.4
Justice 55.2
General Govt. 18.1
Net Interest 196.9
Total 3537.6
Tax cuts don't cause deficits except in your own mind.
Conservative said:What is costing the govt. money now are the additional 4 million unemployed that Obama has helped create with his stimulus plan.
Conservative said:Why liberals are against keeping more of what they earn is beyond me. It isn't the government's money, it belongs to the people that earned it.
Given that social security and medicare are...generally well funded....
Why doesn't America just raise taxes on young working people so that benefits to old people aren't cut? Bingo, we have a winner. Haha.
Given that social security and medicare are covered through payroll taxes and are generally well funded currently you really cant cut from those
These leaves 2.4 trillion dollars in spending that can be cut to meet a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit. That math means $1 trillion dollars in spending from the following programs
Defense 696.1
International Affairs 45.2
Gen. Science, Space 30.9
Energy 11.5
Natural resources/env 41.6
Agriculture 23.2
Commerce -82.9
Transportation 92.5
Community Dev 24.5
Education/Train/Social 125.1
Health 369
Income Security 624
Veterans Benefits 108.4
Justice 55.2
General Govt. 18.1
Net Interest 196.9
I cant see defence not getting at least a 20 % cut, while programs like income security and health would have to see at least 50% in cuts.
Maybe Defense can be cut 20% but then where would we get the money to defend Canada? With regard to SS and Medicare they are being funded but the SS "trust fund" has billions in IOU's as Presidents from both parties have used the money on budget. Those IOU's have to be repaid.
Or just kill off the old people.
j-mac
=Kandahar;1059195632]This is a perfect example of the infantile views I'm talking about...the idea that you can get something for nothing. If cutting taxes actually increased revenue, then why would conservatives even care about spending? We could just cut taxes to pay for all the spending we wanted. :roll:
Would you care to explain how you imagine a stimulus INCREASES unemployment?
Regardless of whose money it is, the fact is that the tax cuts are in place and it's a lot of money that the government does not have, that it otherwise would. Now the question is whether we're going to make good on our obligations that result from such policies, or whether we're going to default on them.
Sorry, who are you defending us from?
Anyone that wants to attack you. Maybe we could Ask Africa for the 100 billion Bush spent on Africa to eradicate AIDS. The first country anyone goes to when they need help is the U.S. Maybe in South Africa you missed the news that Radical Islam wants even you dead.