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I can think of almost 400 million reasons why direct democracy is an awful idea.
I dont remember hearing anything along those lines.. Do you have anymore information along those lines?
That there is eleven of them.These are the States that voted for the National Popular Vote Interstate agreement so far...
1 Maryland 10 April 10, 2007
2 New Jersey 14 January 13, 2008
3 Illinois 20 April 7, 2008
4 Hawaii 4 May 1, 2008
5 Washington 12 April 28, 2009
6 Massachusetts 11 August 4, 2010
7 District of Columbia 3 December 7, 2010
8 Vermont 3 April 22, 2011
9 California 55 August 8, 2011
10 Rhode Island 4 July 12, 2013
11 New York 29 April 15, 2014
Now class ... can anyone tell me what they immediately notice about this list?
We still arent a direct democracy even if we elected someone to represent us. If we elect someone to represent us that means we are a representative democracy. Even if we directly elected the POTUS what is the problem with that? I mean the founders were not perfect by anyway, why is it so shocking to get rid of something that is ineffective and outdated?
These are the States that voted for the National Popular Vote Interstate agreement so far...
1 Maryland 10 April 10, 2007
2 New Jersey 14 January 13, 2008
3 Illinois 20 April 7, 2008
4 Hawaii 4 May 1, 2008
5 Washington 12 April 28, 2009
6 Massachusetts 11 August 4, 2010
7 District of Columbia 3 December 7, 2010
8 Vermont 3 April 22, 2011
9 California 55 August 8, 2011
10 Rhode Island 4 July 12, 2013
11 New York 29 April 15, 2014
Now class ... can anyone tell me what they immediately notice about this list?
Until a Conservative gets 51% of the vote, then you'll be begging for the electoral college to be applied.
On this thread, NY electoral votes will go to whichever candidate got the most individual votes nationally regardless of how NY voted.
Democracy is simply a step toward totalitarianism. The sad part is that most people won't realize that we've stepped off that cliff even after we hit bottom.
We still arent a direct democracy even if we elected someone to represent us. If we elect someone to represent us that means we are a representative democracy.I mean the founders were not perfect by anyway, why is it so shocking to get rid of something that is ineffective and outdated?Even if we directly elected the POTUS what is the problem with that?
So we direclty elect our senators and representative but if we elect the POTUS, the oh Christ we are on our way to totalitarianism! Please Lutherf with our separation of power and checks and balances in place, please explain how you reach this conclusion...
... with lotsa people looking for their chunk of redistribution ... but that's kinda redundantLiberal
And you'll be screaming about the injustice of the Electoral College.
It's obvious you do not appreciate the wisdom of the Founders. To do away with the Electoral College would be disasterous. Without it, the elections could be won by major cities with large populations and the rural areas would have no say. Fly-over country would be just that for all politicians running for office & attempting to get their pet bills passed
Would that include if the Republican or a ticket other than Democrat won the national vote? This is so gona backfire on those twits.
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More found @: New York joins campaign to end Electoral College role in presidential elections - NY Daily News
Honestly, I think we should get rid of the electoral college. I believe it only makes sense. If we are a democracy, why not be a democracy that elects its highest leader? I mean it only makes sense.. I mean I know what some people are going to say, "hey we arent a democracy, we are a republic!". But you can be a republic and a democracy at the same time. The electoral college is outdated and irrational with our political climate and system.
Hold your horses. Neither New York nor any other state will be assigning their electors, based on popular vote, until enough states have signed on to equal or surpass 270 electoral votes. So I doubt this will happen in 2016, but there is a strong chance it will happen in 2020.
Yes, it cedes the selection of electors from the majority of the citizens of a state to the will of the national vote. The Electoral College is an elegant system for a republic except for those that don't like the results. This initiative is about the only way to distort the intention of the Electoral College without an actual repeal. Even if it passes enough states it is doomed to fail.
The electoral college gives a voice to all Americans from all parts of the country, not just those in the most densely populated areas. The needs of the United States are far more diverse than just what Los Angeles and New York City require.
In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).They won't reach 270.
Yes, it cedes the selection of electors from the majority of the citizens of a state to the will of the national vote. The Electoral College is an elegant system for a republic except for those that don't like the results. This initiative is about the only way to distort the intention of the Electoral College without an actual repeal. Even if it passes enough states it is doomed to fail.
It's obvious you do not appreciate the wisdom of the Founders. To do away with the Electoral College would be a disaster. Without it, the elections could be won by major cities with large populations and the rural areas would have no say. Fly-over country would be just that for all politicians running for office & attempting to get their pet bills passed. It would be equivalent to mob rule. For as authoritarian as our federal government has become it is rather a bad joke for you to claim separation of powers and checks and balances are in place when they are trampled and ignored on a regular basis.
On February 12, 2014, the Oklahoma Senate passed the National Popular Vote bill by a 28–18 margin.Liberal