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Joe Biden is the epitome of the white moderate that MLK warned us about. (1 Viewer)

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"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." - Martin Luther King Jr, 1963
 
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"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." - Martin Luther King Jr, 1963

If it talks about "Negros" and it comes out of the blue, it's likely pushing racism. Weakly.
 
1960s called.

They want the civil rights movement back.
 


"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." - Martin Luther King Jr, 1963

Well, first of all, a white (actually colorless, almost translucent) moderate tool like Joe Bidementia can't be called moderate when he's told by his handlers to take all manner of immoderate actions and then does.
I'd have to say no he can't, although he is still responsible for those immoderate actions despite his dementia.
 
One thing I'm noticing - well, perceiving anyway - is that polarization, tribalism is intensifying on the left. The right definitely started it, and it took a while for the left to respond, but the left is starting to catch up. Supporting specific left wing (or right wing) causes - even adamantly - isn't what I'm talking about. I mean there's a growing tendency to box check, to litmus test. I'm seeing more left-on-left crime.

In 2016, the far left bitterly contested and protested the center left, but honestly, I think for the most part, most progressives fell into line. Some did not and because the race was so close, it cost Hillary, but I still felt like the progressive left was generally on-board with the idea of caucusing with the center left. I say that because the gains in 2018 and 2020 would not have been possible otherwise.

But the Supreme Court's decisions these last few years on things like abortion (obviously), gun control, administrative authority, the environment, student loans...the right-leaning Supreme Court has radicalized the left, and they are angry at centrists like Biden who still argue that it is still preferable to preserve institutional traditions/conventions/procedures such as the filibuster and to dismiss ideas like court packing. In short, the progressive left is tired of being hammered over the head with procedural warfare when Republicans seize power and hamstrung by institutional conventions when they're no longer in power. They want Democrats to do something - I absolutely do get it.

Tl/dr: Progressives are done with moderation and they're willing to lose elections to prove it. To use the communist analogy, this is where Marxist energy becomes Leninism and Trotskyism. They're done with evolution. They want revolution. The danger is that revolutions can fail, either because they crack up before they achieve any of their objectives, or even worse, they succeed in seizing some sort of power - either of the party or of the entire state itself - and go too far. I think it's more likely that they crack up the left before achieving anything, but I don't have a crystal ball obviously.
 
One thing I'm noticing - well, perceiving anyway - is that polarization, tribalism is intensifying on the left. The right definitely started it, and it took a while for the left to respond, but the left is starting to catch up. Supporting specific left wing (or right wing) causes - even adamantly - isn't what I'm talking about. I mean there's a growing tendency to box check, to litmus test. I'm seeing more left-on-left crime.

In 2016, the far left bitterly contested and protested the center left, but honestly, I think for the most part, most progressives fell into line. Some did not and because the race was so close, it cost Hillary, but I still felt like the progressive left was generally on-board with the idea of caucusing with the center left. I say that because the gains in 2018 and 2020 would not have been possible otherwise.

But the Supreme Court's decisions these last few years on things like abortion (obviously), gun control, administrative authority, the environment, student loans...the right-leaning Supreme Court has radicalized the left, and they are angry at centrists like Biden who still argue that it is still preferable to preserve institutional traditions/conventions/procedures such as the filibuster and to dismiss ideas like court packing. In short, the progressive left is tired of being hammered over the head with procedural warfare when Republicans seize power and hamstrung by institutional conventions when they're no longer in power. They want Democrats to do something - I absolutely do get it.

Tl/dr: Progressives are done with moderation and they're willing to lose elections to prove it. To use the communist analogy, this is where Marxist energy becomes Leninism and Trotskyism. They're done with evolution. They want revolution. The danger is that revolutions can fail, either because they crack up before they achieve any of their objectives, or even worse, they succeed in seizing some sort of power - either of the party or of the entire state itself - and go too far. I think it's more likely that they crack up the left before achieving anything, but I don't have a crystal ball obviously.

Looks like you have a need to to describe Constitutionality as "procedural warfare" and "institutional conventions" in order to make a ridiculous excuse for Left-wing radicalism.
 


"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." - Martin Luther King Jr, 1963

some white rando on UTUBE is offering a "warning"

LOL

when are you people gonna learn posting random UTBUE links do not boost your credibility?
 


"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." - Martin Luther King Jr, 1963

Much as I love MLK quotes, it's not 1963 and MLK did not know Joe Biden.

This quote has nothing to do with the politics of today.
 
I don't agree that Biden is the epitome of the topic of white liberals, but he's largely correct. It seems Biden is pretty close to the epitome of the point, and worse, when it comes to Palestinians.
 
First, if some rando makes a good comment, it's a good comment. Second, you get an irony of the day award for the irony and ignorance of you calling him a rando, attacking credibility of someone making a good post - he's one of the UK's leading political commentators for over a decade.


It has only gotten worse since 2016.
 
some white rando on UTUBE is offering a "warning"

LOL

when are you people gonna learn posting random UTBUE links do not boost your credibility?
Irony of the day award. Your ignorance hurts HIS credibility, you claim.
 
Some white dude is warning us about white dudes, so vote for HIS white dude.

You seem to be criticizing that. Some white dude (FDR) is warning us about another white dude (Hitler), so support HIS side. So you don't understand the issue, it seems?
 
You seem to be criticizing that. Some white dude (FDR) is warning us about another white dude (Hitler), so support HIS side. So you don't understand the issue, it seems?
Some supposed white dude (alien) is warning us about another white dude (Elvis) who is riding a white monster (Loch Ness) while hitting on green white women (aliens.)

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OP, do you mind me asking, are you black or white? Are you speaking from a black or white perspective? Just curious.
 
OP, do you mind me asking, are you black or white? Are you speaking from a black or white perspective? Just curious.

Why does that matter? Just curious. I'm of Irish decent. I don't believe think that an Irish white person speaking about these issues is any less valuable than a black or Arab person speaking from their perspective. Because I'm all about solidarity, not tribalism.

Do you disagree with MLK? Why?
 

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