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Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp
a nice long post and nothing has changed
you have factually lied
you have factually made stuff up that i never said and you have stated strawmen
your original question has been answered and proven and that fact iiiiiiiiiiiiiiis
wait for it
wait for it
the league has been impacted, feel free to disagree with this fact but facts dont care about your opinion LOL
please let me know when this changes
Maybe after your emotions settle down and you stop punching your keyboard write some very stern letters to all the current and ex players, coaches, owners and the league president that disagree with you and tell them they are wrong and lying, IKARI SAID SO!!!! im sure you will have an "impact" :laughat:
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LMAO, numbers? Testimonials are all fine and good, less you are claiming and effect above baseline; then you need to demonstrate the effect above baseline
As I have already said, I understand the testimonials and would full expect them in a system which has both champions and dissenters.
The guy's the first, yes? So obviously that was a retarded question. Numbers? You make claims, can you demonstrate the claims?
LMAO, already handled. LMAO. Testimonials do not statistics make. Please make with the numbers. Of course in a system where there were ALREADY supporters, the supporters would come out and support. Sorta what they do. Doesn't mean that they had CHANGED THEIR MINDS BECAUSE OF THIS MAN'S ACTIONS. That's the contention, and what you cannot, will not show. Now if you had numbers that had measurement of acceptance before and after the announcement....maybe then we could proceed. Got those numbers? LMAO.
....It's like reason and logic are toxic to you. I didn't say you did, don't make crap up. But you posted ex-players saying how it was such a big deal for him to come forward and in their day they couldn't. Well of course in their day (assuming they aren't from the future) it was harder. Duh! Now it's easier, in the future it will be even still easier. You seem to be missing the real point here in order to make your lame attacks and stupid arguments which continually prove nothing. Don't claim that attacks against your arguments are attacks against you. Jesus.
Fact remains impact exists nothing changed
They could be, perhaps just to avoid a media spectacular. I don't know them well enough to really comment. But again, personal testimonial is not statistics. Produce the numbers, otherwise assuming broad changes in dynamic off of selected published testimonial is.....assumption.
Which is calling me a liar. Is this how far down the rabbit hole you're going. Also, nothing I have written thus far has been a lie.
No, you've taken a few published testimonials and holding onto them like gospel. What you haven't done is provided ANY numbers, stats, analysis to back your point. I'm not saying their wrong, I'm sure it was a brave thing, I'm sure back in the day it was harder. What I am not sure about, and skeptical about, is the overall influence and impact this is going to have on sports and on society in general.
No lie, no back peddling. LMAO. If the impact is factual, you have the numbers to show it. If not, then you don't. So the ball is in your court. Factual impact, yes? You keep saying it over and over again. So PROVE IT.
Has it? How many more gay people have come out since his announcement? What percentage turnaround in opinion has occurred? Factual, yes? Factual is measurable. Where's the measurement? That's all I'm asking for, been asking for nothing more this entire time. Factual means real, real has impact that can be measured. Show me the measurement.
Have the rules changed? Has admittance changed? Have more people come out and declared themselves gay? Has there been an appreciable increase in acceptance?
a nice long post and nothing has changed
you have factually lied
you have factually made stuff up that i never said and you have stated strawmen
your original question has been answered and proven and that fact iiiiiiiiiiiiiiis
wait for it
wait for it
the league has been impacted, feel free to disagree with this fact but facts dont care about your opinion LOL
please let me know when this changes
Maybe after your emotions settle down and you stop punching your keyboard write some very stern letters to all the current and ex players, coaches, owners and the league president that disagree with you and tell them they are wrong and lying, IKARI SAID SO!!!! im sure you will have an "impact" :laughat:
your deflections failed
your lies failed
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