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Again, see my above post you quoted.
That is a subjective opinion that is incorrect about my objectivity... anything else?
Again, see my above post you quoted.
First off, I'm not a liberal so can it with your assumptions about me. Second, there is no desperation in my explanation but there certainly is a lot of overly excited utterance and unneeded pissiness in your responses. If you can't continue in a civil tone, we won't be continuing at all as your level of education on the topic that you are commenting nor your obvious ignorance on the same are of no consequence to me and I will not waste time trying to engage some keyboard cowboy who finds aggressive posturing to be an acceptable substitute for dialog.
That said: You explained the concept of white privilege in the post above: Maybe he interviews Derek because he ASSUMES Thuc may not speak English as well. White privilege. The assumption that because someone is white they may have certain skills or social experience that the nonwhite doesn't. It is an assumption of aptitude in specific areas that may or may not be true but is accepted as truth based on the perceived ethnicity of the subject and all the social experience that whites are assumed to have had.
That is one example of white privilege. And for the record, there is also minority privilege. There is no accusation or judgment behind the term white privilege.
Loaded example... any hiring manager will look at both resume's with interest and you are assuming bias based off of race/names/etc.
White privilege is an excuse that people have come up with to find fault at their own failures or shortcomings.
I took a class on this and lasted about 10 minutes until it was clear that it was an exercise in racism and was getting screamed at by two clack women in the class for not agreeing with the premise.
I'm sorry for your experience with the two black women. It is clear they didn't understand the concept of white privilege either. It could have been a poor misrepresentation by the teacher; I don't know.
If you want a clear example of how it is real, look at what Sabanist posted in response. He said, "Maybe he interviews derek because he assumes thuc may not speak english as well. I woudnt blame him. If im a busy manager, im trying to make my job as simple as i can."
Now if you can read that statement and not see that he's basically saying (and here is where racism does play into it): My life would be easier if I interview the guy because his name sounds like he can speak english (read: he's more Anglofied) better than the little yellow girl.
His assumption was false. It isn't always but it is an acceptable assumption in a white culture. That is how the experience changes for a nonwhite from that of a white person.
That one example with that one specific outcome might be white privilege, but maybe it isn't.
That said, maybe Joe is black and picks Derek because he thinks that he is black too...
Maybe Joe is a sexist and picks Derek because he is a man.
Maybe Joe likes Asian chicks and picks Thuc.
What are all those examples of then?
You can't just pick the one specific example you want, label it exactly what you want despite the fact that it might not be what you want and then affirm that you are correct in your premise.
That is just silly...
Your assumption is false, that is english speaking privilege
Continue to repeat it doesnt make it true. Derek murray doesnt equate to anglo. You are arriving at the result which you desire
Gosh, I did NOT know that driving while white exempted one from being stopped by the cops. You learn something new every day.
I'm sorry for your experience with the two black women. It is clear they didn't understand the concept of white privilege either. It could have been a poor misrepresentation by the teacher; I don't know.
If you want a clear example of how it is real, look at what Sabanist posted in response. He said, "Maybe he interviews derek because he assumes thuc may not speak english as well. I woudnt blame him. If im a busy manager, im trying to make my job as simple as i can."
Now if you can read that statement and not see that he's basically saying (and here is where racism does play into it): My life would be easier if I interview the guy because his name sounds like he can speak english (read: he's more Anglofied) better than the little yellow girl.
His assumption was false. It isn't always but it is an acceptable assumption in a white culture. That is how the experience changes for a nonwhite from that of a white person.
Continue to repeat it doesnt make it true. Derek murray doesnt equate to anglo. You are arriving at the result which you desire
Of course there is such a thing as 'white privilege' in some places.
If you are going to sit here and try to convince anyone that the names Murray and Chen don't bring with them certain assumptions grounded in the perceived ethnicity of the individuals, there are only two possibilities. A) That you are being argumentative for entertainment (which I get, totally and am guilty of myself quite often) or B) that you are having a hard time rebutting the argument presented but won't allow yourself to just say so (another situation I totally get and have found myself guilty of) so you are just making categorical denials instead of constructed arguments.
If you would agree that if I, a white upper middle class man with the name of Steve (made up name) would be over looked for a man named Juan for a job at an independent burrito restaurant even though we are both fluent in English and both only speak broken Spanish then I would agree that this issue is situational instead of systemically a white one in the United States
Why is it assumed that the one individual will speak English well and the other not, simply based on a name on a resume?Your assumption is false, that is english speaking privilege
The example of white privilege is found in the initial assumptions Joe made about the candidates based on the perceived Anglocentricity of just their names.
Here's another example, and be honest: If you see the two names Tyrone and Bernard, which do you think is the black one?
There is "insert race/gender/religion privilege" in most places... why are we picking on whitey?
Why is it assumed that the one individual will speak English well and the other not, simply based on a name on a resume?
Didn't know we were. ...
Entrenched racism is to be found all over the world. Japan and Kenya come to mind, and Russia and Saudi Arabia and Argentina and
Maybe it is just me having grown up in Southern California and knowing literally thousands of Mexicans, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, Latino Americans, black Americans and various European descended white Americans but when I hear the name Chen or Tran or Lopez and such I think of people that speak fluent English, dress and act like me, etc. but just have different skin colors and looks. One of my good friends was a female with the name Chen and she was as American as anybody and when I used to see names on applications I never made assumptions about anything.
To me, the name "Derek Murray" could mean a male of any race. Possibly a female if her parents were really cruel.To me, the name 'Derek Murray' equates Scot, not Anglo.
Maybe it is just me having grown up in Southern California and knowing literally thousands of Mexicans, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, Latino Americans, black Americans and various European descended white Americans but when I hear the name Chen or Tran or Lopez and such I think of people that speak fluent English, dress and act like me, etc. but just have different skin colors and looks. One of my good friends was a female with the name Chen and she was as American as anybody and when I used to see names on applications I never made assumptions about anything.
To me, the name "Derek Murray" could mean a male of any race. Possibly a female if her parents were really cruel.
Loaded question. You planted a racial idea in my head by indicating that one was black and that changes the nature of the entire experiment.
If you just put those two names down I would not have thought about race at all, period.