Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"? [W:59]

[Somerville]

Arizona preacher who has already had a visit or two from the Secret Service after he called for the death of President Obama, has posted a recent sermon on YouTube in which he cites Leviticus 20:13 as justification for killing "the homos like God recommends, you wouldn’t have all this AIDS running rampant.”

He has also in a previous sermon ranted about "lying, racist Jews". So I have to wonder why he is citing a text which originated with and is still seen as the foundation of Judaism, if he hates Jews so much.

The video of the sermon calling for the execution of "homos"

How can there be such a wide range of beliefs in one religion? When we can see groups such as the United Church of Christ accepting gay marriage and placing a GLBT member on the Executive Council to churches such as the one supporting the preacher in the video, we have to wonder - Who is a Christian? When the outsider asks this question, the answer almost always falls back to the "No True Scotsman" argument.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

I'm going to say no. Calling for murder is not a Christian action.

 

[americanwoman]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

He has also in a previous sermon ranted about "lying, racist Jews". So I have to wonder why he is citing a text which originated with and is still seen as the foundation of Judaism, if he hates Jews so much.

Perhaps because he is an ignorant hypocritical person full of hate.

 

[imagep]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

I'm going to say no. Calling for murder is not a Christian action.

But if we killed all the gays, they would stop having gay children, and this plaque of gayness would be eliminated.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

But if we killed all the gays, they would stop having gay children, and this plaque of gayness would be eliminated.

Sounds legit.:lol:

 

[MaggieD]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

I'm going to say no. Calling for murder is not a Christian action.

Good thing "they" wrote that New Testament. :lol:

 

[Quag]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Good thing "they" wrote that New Testament. :lol:

BAh!
Dont you know Good Christians only pay attention to the fire and brimstone stuff in the Old Testamant?
Only non Christians, Homos and Commies read the new Testament

 

[lizzie]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

That doesn't sound like any Christian I've ever heard of, or been around. I'm thinking he's about as Christian as Westboro members, but even worse.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Arizona preacher who has already had a visit or two from the Secret Service after he called for the death of President Obama, has posted a recent sermon on YouTube in which he cites Leviticus 20:13 as justification for killing "the homos like God recommends, you wouldn’t have all this AIDS running rampant.”

He has also in a previous sermon ranted about "lying, racist Jews". So I have to wonder why he is citing a text which originated with and is still seen as the foundation of Judaism, if he hates Jews so much.

The video of the sermon calling for the execution of "homos"

How can there be such a wide range of beliefs in one religion? When we can see groups such as the United Church of Christ accepting gay marriage and placing a GLBT member on the Executive Council to churches such as the one supporting the preacher in the video, we have to wonder - Who is a Christian? When the outsider asks this question, the answer almost always falls back to the "No True Scotsman" argument.

No, not by any definition of the word.

 

[LagerHead]

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I think the intelligent thing to do would be to judge the entirety of a population based on the words or actions of at most a few outliers. That is how you impress people with your smarts.

 

[ashurbanipal]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Yeah, I think the majority of Christians would repudiate this sort of thing.

That said, I'd like to offer a suggestion about the whole "no true Scotsman" comment. There's probably no rigorous way to make a distinction, but I think there are certain properties which true Christians have that fake Christians do not. I'm not going to speculate on what those are (though I have my opinions) since I'm not a Christian myself. But surely we're all familiar with the phenomenon of taking some label onto yourself that you simply don't deserve. Some people who call themselves Christians do this, and this guy sounds like one of them.

 

[kjw47]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Arizona preacher who has already had a visit or two from the Secret Service after he called for the death of President Obama, has posted a recent sermon on YouTube in which he cites Leviticus 20:13 as justification for killing "the homos like God recommends, you wouldn’t have all this AIDS running rampant.”

He has also in a previous sermon ranted about "lying, racist Jews". So I have to wonder why he is citing a text which originated with and is still seen as the foundation of Judaism, if he hates Jews so much.

The video of the sermon calling for the execution of "homos"

How can there be such a wide range of beliefs in one religion? When we can see groups such as the United Church of Christ accepting gay marriage and placing a GLBT member on the Executive Council to churches such as the one supporting the preacher in the video, we have to wonder - Who is a Christian? When the outsider asks this question, the answer almost always falls back to the "No True Scotsman" argument.

A preacher owned by satan--most are and they don't even know it.2Cor 11:12-15)-- maybe they do know it--its big $$$$--Jesus real teachers give spiritual food freely.

He has proved 100%--he does not know Jesus who clearly taught---- He who is without sin, cast the first stone.

For some strange reasoning--mortals seem to think their sin is lesser in the eyes of God than their brothers sin is.

 

[nota bene]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

But if we killed all the gays, they would stop having gay children, and this plaque of gayness would be eliminated.

Uh, most gay people have hetero parents.

 

[imagep]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Uh, most gay people have hetero parents.

Then maybe we should stop killing gays, and start killing those heteros. If we kill all the straight people, then eventually we will no longer have any of those evil gays! Maybe God was right when he flooded the earth, except that he shouldn't have kept Noa and his incestuous family out of the water.

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

A preacher owned by satan--most are and they don't even know it.2Cor 11:12-15)-- maybe they do know it--its big $$$$--Jesus real teachers give spiritual food freely.

He has proved 100%--he does not know Jesus who clearly taught---- He who is without sin, cast the first stone.

For some strange reasoning--mortals seem to think their sin is lesser in the eyes of God than their brothers sin is.

Who is casting stones? He is talking with his mouth. That is not casting stones. It's far from it.

Don't be a parrot that repeats things. Be a human that speaks coherently and knows what your comment means. In that same passage Jesus says, "Go and sin no more." How is that loving and forgiving? He just told her to abandon everything that she knows and thinks is important.

Jesus was being hateful by telling her to stop living her life the way she wanted to live her life.

I'm a parrot, "Awk, he who is without sin. Awk. Awk. Cast the first stone." Parrots are cute. Humans who behave like parrots are annoying. :roll:

 

[nota bene]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Who is casting stones? He is talking with his mouth. That is not casting stones. It's far from it.

Don't be a parrot that repeats things. Be a human that speaks coherently and knows what your comment means. In that same passage Jesus says, "Go and sin no more." How is that loving and forgiving? He just told her to abandon everything that she knows and thinks is important.

Jesus was being hateful by telling her to stop living her life the way she wanted to live her life.

I'm a parrot, "Awk, he who is without sin. Awk. Awk. Cast the first stone." Parrots are cute. Humans who behave like parrots are annoying. :roll:

You left out the first part: "And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

You left out the first part: "And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

Do you think Jesus would approach homosexuals in the same way?

Would he refuse to condemn them but tell them to go and sin no more?

Bonus question: How would Jesus have responded to the adulteress if she told Jesus to go screw himself and that she would do whatever she wanted to do?

 

[kjw47]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Who is casting stones? He is talking with his mouth. That is not casting stones. It's far from it.

Don't be a parrot that repeats things. Be a human that speaks coherently and knows what your comment means. In that same passage Jesus says, "Go and sin no more." How is that loving and forgiving? He just told her to abandon everything that she knows and thinks is important.

Jesus was being hateful by telling her to stop living her life the way she wanted to live her life.

I'm a parrot, "Awk, he who is without sin. Awk. Awk. Cast the first stone." Parrots are cute. Humans who behave like parrots are annoying. :roll:

Gods word says it all--no matter what mortals think, do or say--Gods will--will occur. I agree with God. He sees and has to make decisions concerning all for all time. Not 1 mortal has an iota of a clue as to what that is like.
Yes Jesus taught--go sin no more-- a few times--- because he meant it. True repentence = the stopping of the doing of a sin.

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

True repentence = the stopping of the doing of a sin.

This concept has absolutely nothing to do with the current Gay Agenda. I have never heard of a gay leader say, "I have turned away from my sin and will never do it again. Please allow me to be a bishop in your church."

It is more common to hear this, "I am one of God's creatures. I just happen to be gay. There is absolutely no conflict. Quit being so hard nosed. Let me be a bishop in your church. There is no reason for you to be making a big deal about this."

Those attitudes are more important than the sin. One is forgivable and can be ignored. The other is open rebellion against God and completely Satanic in nature and is punishable by death.

The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. Romans 3:23

Can you tell which is which?

Steven Anderson is suggesting that open rebellion against God is worthy of death. What a coincidence. That's exactly what the Bible says.

What an odd coincidence! It makes you wonder. Maybe Steven Anderson was reading the Bible instead of listening to modern popular culture. :shrug:

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

I have listened to Steven Anderson a lot. He would agree with me when I say this. The Bible is the most hateful book in existence.

It is so hateful that many have sought to destroy it throughout history. It's a horrific book that angers many people. If you haven't read it then you may parrot some popular beliefs.

"Awk. The Bible is God's love letter to mankind. Awk. Awk."

"Awk. Jesus loves me. The Bible tells me so. Awk awk."

"Awk. I am a Christian. I live by the Bible. Awk. Awk."

"Awk. I believe every word of the Bible and I agree with all of it. Awk. Awk."

"Awk. God is love. Awk awk."

NONSENSE! NONSENSE! NONSENSE! If you can read the Bible and conclude that God is a God of love then you have poor reading comprehension skills. God hates those who hate him.

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Does God hate some people? I say, "yes".

Psalms 5:5-6 HCSB The boastful cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all evildoers. You destroy those who tell lies; the LORD abhors a man of bloodshed and treachery.

Psalms 11:5 HCSB The LORD examines the righteous and the wicked. He hates the lover of violence.

Leviticus 20:23 HCSB You must not follow the statues of the nations I am driving out before you, for they did all these things, and I abhored them.

Hosea 9:15 HCSB All their evil appears at Gilgal, for there I came to hate them. I will drive them from My house because of their evil, wicked actions. I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious.

Is this scripture a contradiction?

1 John 4:7-11 HCSB Dear friends, let us love one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love. God's love was revealed among us in this way. God sent His One and Only Son into the world so that we might live through Him. Love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Dear friends, if God loved us in this way, we also must love one another. No one has ever seen God. If we love one another, God remains in us and His love is perfected in us.

Here is a thread on the subject:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...-does-god-hate-some-people-poll-included.html

 

[kjw47]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

This concept has absolutely nothing to do with the current Gay Agenda. I have never heard of a gay leader say, "I have turned away from my sin and will never do it again. Please allow me to be a bishop in your church."

It is more common to hear this, "I am one of God's creatures. I just happen to be gay. There is absolutely no conflict. Quit being so hard nosed. Let me be a bishop in your church. There is no reason for you to be making a big deal about this."

Those attitudes are more important than the sin. One is forgivable and can be ignored. The other is open rebellion against God and completely Satanic in nature and is punishable by death.

The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. Romans 3:23

Can you tell which is which?

Steven Anderson is suggesting that open rebellion against God is worthy of death. What a coincidence. That's exactly what the Bible says.

What an odd coincidence! It makes you wonder. Maybe Steven Anderson was reading the Bible instead of listening to modern popular culture. :shrug:

Its the practice of certain sins that Gods word teaches-- one will NOT enter Gods kingdom if they practice these-1Cor 6:9-11--Galations 5:19-21--The majority--do these things or similar--they are followers of the world. Walking the broad and spacious path--men with white collars tell these they are saved all the time. Many religious leaders all over the earth tell these--you will go to a higher plain of existence. It will be Noahs day all over again at Harmageddon. numbers wise.

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Its the practice of certain sins that Gods word teaches-- one will NOT enter Gods kingdom if they practice these-1Cor 6:9-11--Galations 5:19-21--The majority--do these things or similar--they are followers of the world. Walking the broad and spacious path--men with white collars tell these they are saved all the time. Many religious leaders all over the earth tell these--you will go to a higher plain of existence. It will be Noahs day all over again at Harmageddon. numbers wise.

Idolaters aren't demanding to be clergymen in the church.
Adulterers aren't demanding to be clergymen in the church.
Male prostitutes aren't demanding to be clergymen in the church.
Theives aren't demanding to be clergymen in the church.
Greedy people are already serving the church. You might have a point on this one.
Drunkards aren't demanding to be clergymen in the church.
Revliers aren't demanding to be clergymen in the church.
Swindlers are already serving in the church. You might have a point on this one too.
Sorcerers aren't demanding to be clergymen in the church.

Look at verse 11. "Some of you were like this; but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:11 HCSB. I am not aware of an activist of the homosexual movement turning away from their lifestyle but if they did then that would be 100% acceptable by my interpretation of scripture.

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

Its the practice of certain sins that Gods word teaches-- one will NOT enter Gods kingdom if they practice these-1Cor 6:9-11--Galations 5:19-21--The majority--do these things or similar--they are followers of the world. Walking the broad and spacious path--men with white collars tell these they are saved all the time. Many religious leaders all over the earth tell these--you will go to a higher plain of existence. It will be Noahs day all over again at Harmageddon. numbers wise.

Do homosexuals enjoy a life of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness and self-control? It doesn't appear that way. Maybe they are missing out on the Kingdom of God. I think those scriptures are true and accurate to real life.

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Is it the 'Christian' thing to call for killing all the "homos"?

I'm going to say no. Calling for murder is not a Christian action.

Murder is not a Christian action. However establishing a nation by the model of ancient Israel is something that all nations will do in the future. There is nothing wrong with getting a head start and looking to ancient Israel now. There were 17 sins in ancient Israel that were punishable by death. I think all 17 of them are completely reasonable. Sodomy was one of those sins. It may not be Christian to murder a homosexual but it's completely reasonable for a Christian to vote for a death penalty for sodomites in order to promote an orderly society. Ancient Israel almost never executed people for these crimes against society but it did portray what was important to them as a society. We don't execute all murderers in our nation but it is legal for our government to do so. This shows what is important to us as a society. The common phrase, "getting away with murder" shows that murder is something that is highly discouraged in American society.

Read what Isaiah 2:1-4 has to say on the matter:

1 The vision that Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem: 2 In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s house will be established at the top of the mountains and will be raised above the hills. All nations will stream to it, 3 and many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us about His ways so that we may walk in His paths.” For instruction will go out of Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 He will settle disputes among the nations and provide arbitration for many peoples. They will turn their swords into plows and their spears into pruning knives. Nations will not take up the sword against other nations, and they will never again train for war.

There is nothing wrong with aspiring to have an orderly society.

The New Testament has more to say on the subject than the Old Testament. Romans Chapter 1 makes it clear that homosexuality is a very serious matter to the Christian believer. The New Testament scriptures are more emphatic against homosexuality than Old Testament scripture. The Old Testament doesn't even address homosexuality. It only addresses sodomy. This would exclude lesbians and gay men who strictly engage in oral sex. The New Testament includes all homosexuals.