I'm a Republican and I don't like Trump

[jamesrage]

I uttered these words, "I don't like Trump," to a couple of co-workers and they automatically assumed I was a Democrat. NOTE: I do IT Administration for a large religious charity so it's a pretty conservative organization. This is what it's come down to. WTF?! Does the base even recognize other people are running? Not to the general public. I think Trump has broken politics. Trump has got the angry poor working class wrapped around his old, pudgy fingers. This is the end result of the GOP Civil War. All the RINO name-calling combined with the faction of NO. Of which we more moderate/establishment Republicans have been dealing with for the past 8 years. It has all come down to this... I was having a similar discussion with FT over on the John Kasich thread about it and he summed it up pretty well too:

I seen Trump-tards do that at this forum. They assume that somehow people criticizing Trump's liberal positions and criticizing Trump aiding liberals in getting elected with is donations is somehow support for Clinton or Sanders.

 

[jamesrage]

Someone outside the status quo politician.

How is someone who donates to establishment liberal politicians and has a liberal former president show up to his wedding outside the status quo?

 

[Frank Apisa]

For years I've been saying politics is the new religion in the U.S.. I think this election is proving my point. For decades the religious right has been going on and on about the importance of family values, and religion in politics. But when it comes to Obama, the thing about him no one can argue is he's a good husband. and good father, with good family values. But the Evangelicals hate his guts with a passion.

On the other side we have 3 times married Donald Trump, who owns strip clubs and casinos, who swears like a sailor and doesn't know The Bible from an atlas. But the Evangelicals love him.

Anyway except for my very conservative in-laws I know no one who's a Trump fan. But I live in a pretty liberal area, and he's not too popular with libs around here.

Right on!

The hypocrisy of the Bible thumping right is beyond measure.

Someone like Trump (and most of the rest of the Clown Car) says everything one needs to know about the GOP. They want to govern the country...and they cannot even govern themselves.

 

[haymarket]

A lot of conservatives don't want to admit this, but the Tea Party was a big reason why Trump isn't being completely isolated by either the "establishment" or the Cruz voters. Populism overtook small government ideology long ago. The Tea Party express and Sarah Palin jumped on board the Tea Party, never really admiring the initial core of Dick Army-ites and libertarian conservatives, but still driving it up the wall to peak success. The main message of that group has been: experience bad, inexperience good. Despite chants to the contrary, with the rise of the Palin and Tea Party Express, many Tea Partiers did not want substantial entitlement reform. They wanted it kept for those "who deserve it."

This meshed well with those independent, non-politically active white blue collar folks who similarly disdained experience and those "who don't deserve it."

Enter Donald Trump. Then watch the relatively buddy-buddy relationship between he, Cruz, and Carson. Sure, Cruz now argues that Trump isn't a real conservative, but he was happy enough to not shun Republicans and conservatives alike from finding something to like about Trump. They all wanted the same anti-knowledge, pro-pitchforks and torches voters.
Tea Party Founder: Why I Support Donald Trump for President - Breitbart

Donald Trump would not be in the position he is today as front runner if not for the tea party efforts to hijack the GOP over the last several years. They helped create him and their energy fuels much of the anger that propels him this year.

 

[haymarket]

It says something very terrible about our country indeed, that a misogynistic, racist, ego maniacal man proud of his ignorance and intolerance has the support of so many.

Well it does speak volumes about many of his supporters. America has always has had an unfortunate nativist right wing populist streak and this is merely the most recent manifestation of such ugliness.

 

[WCH]

But he has never been in a position of politics and has no knowledge of the intricacies of governing.

You have to deal with politicians, unions, city councils, various rights groups, etc. when building large operations.

 

[WCH]

Is that why McCain went to great lengths to shed his "maverick" image and kow-tow the far right?

Is that why Romney didn't run as the moderate republican governor of MA, but instead ran as a "severe conservative"?

Is that why the GOP called the Conservative Heritage Fund's health plan from the 90s a "Socialist" plan once Obama backed it in 2008?




At the rate I have seen self-identified conservatives dismiss anyone who isn't as far right as them as "RINOs", I'm thinking we have maybe only 5 or 6 actual real conservatives alive in this country of 315,000,000+



You conservatives on the far right.....you need to wrap your head around the idea that you are actually rather extreme in your views, and that candidates as extreme as you have no chance of winning. Both parties need to vie for the middle. The far-left and far-right aren't going to support their opposites. Demanding only far-far-far right candidates (aka, not "RINO" ....aka never once in their life said anything against anyone else on the right..) is basically masochism.

But they're still losers for not standing up to their opponents ideology no matter how the political winds flapped their sails. Very little 'rock-hard Conservatism in any of them.

 

[WCH]

How is someone who donates to establishment liberal politicians and has a liberal former president show up to his wedding outside the status quo?

General consensus says they don't take money to bend their opinions. You have to admit Trump is unique.

 

[Casper]

I uttered these words, "I don't like Trump," to a couple of co-workers and they automatically assumed I was a Democrat. NOTE: I do IT Administration for a large religious charity so it's a pretty conservative organization. This is what it's come down to. WTF?! Does the base even recognize other people are running? Not to the general public. I think Trump has broken politics. Trump has got the angry poor working class wrapped around his old, pudgy fingers. This is the end result of the GOP Civil War. All the RINO name-calling combined with the faction of NO. Of which we more moderate/establishment Republicans have been dealing with for the past 8 years. It has all come down to this... I was having a similar discussion with FT over on the John Kasich thread about it and he summed it up pretty well too:

Welcome to the new world of politics. Labeling of people based on one stand on one issue can and often does lead to others slapping a label on them. It is how low level operators that live in a black and white world keep things simple for their simple minds to be able to function in a world full of colors and shades. Simply consider the source and leave it at that, as the saying goes there is no cure for Stupid.

 

[NeverTrump]

I seen Trump-tards do that at this forum. They assume that somehow people criticizing Trump's liberal positions and criticizing Trump aiding liberals in getting elected with is donations is somehow support for Clinton or Sanders.

I didn't even criticize him. I just said I didn't like him... Which apparently is the worst criticism of all!

 

[haymarket]

This article from POLITICO does a pretty good job at breaking down todays GOP and the role of the tea party in that division

Trump shatters the Republican Party - POLITICO

here is a small sample

The Trump and Cruz coalitions, in many ways, have the same origin: the tea party movement of frustrated conservatives that grew in reaction to the profligate spending under President George W. Bush and the election of President Barack Obama. Their energy and votes swept the Republicans back into the majority in the House in 2010 and the Senate in 2014. But in 2016 the tea party has splintered into its component parts: the truly conservative (who support Cruz) and the truly angry (who support Trump). Both outgrowths of the same resentment toward the established GOP order, one is more focused on policy orthodoxy, the other on raw frustration.
Trump is winning the disaffected as Cruz tries to consolidate the hard-liners. In Iowa, Cruz carried 44 percent of self-identified “very conservative” voters — more than double Trump's take. With explicit ideological appeals, Cruz topped that hard-liner group again with 35 percent in South Carolina, even as he fell to third. But in Nevada, Trump won them over 38 percent to 34 percent.

The tea party’s rise, meanwhile, has dragged the entire Republican Party so far to the right that Rubio, who himself was an anti-establishment insurgent in 2010, is now a darling of the mainstream GOP. The remaining moderate Republicans left behind by these evolutionary forces have lined up behind John Kasich, whose self-described “prince of light and hope” campaign still gamely insists 2016 remains a “four-person race.”

Its well worth a read.

 

[Chomsky]

For years I've been saying politics is the new religion in the U.S.. I think this election is proving my point. For decades the religious right has been going on and on about the importance of family values, and religion in politics. But when it comes to Obama, the thing about him no one can argue is he's a good husband. and good father, with good family values. But the Evangelicals hate his guts with a passion.

On the other side we have 3 times married Donald Trump, who owns strip clubs and casinos, who swears like a sailor and doesn't know The Bible from an atlas. But the Evangelicals love him.

Anyway except for my very conservative in-laws I know no one who's a Trump fan. But I live in a pretty liberal area, and he's not too popular with libs around here.

I live on the edge of a very large & diverse city: from rags to riches, from Socialists & Communists to T-Partiers & The Federalist Society!

Mr. Trump is playing too a point with the older blue-collar working-class crowd, who around here are often Roman Catholic. Several members of this demo have verbally claimed to me they desire to vote for him.

This is interesting for two reasons:

- These is the very demo that HRC won over President Obama in 2008, and are claimed to be her strength.
- This is a prime demo in Ohio.

So I'm thinking Trump may give Gov Kasich a run in his home state!

And Trump may even bleed-off some Hillary supporters.

He's an interesting phenomenon!

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I live on the edge of a very large & diverse city: from rags to riches, from Socialists & Communists to T-Partiers & The Federalist Society!

Mr. Trump is playing too a point with the older blue-collar working-class crowd, who around here are often Roman Catholic. Several members of this demo have verbally claimed to me they desire to vote for him.

This is interesting for two reasons:

- These is the very demo that HRC won over President Obama in 2008, and are claimed to be her strength.
- This is a prime demo in Ohio.

So I'm thinking Trump may give Gov Kasich a run in his home state!

And Trump may even bleed-off some Hillary supporters.

He's an interesting phenomenon!

Interesting to say the least. Many of the same far right Republicans who bitch and moan about McCain and Romney being too moderate, and who believe their being moderate is why the GOP lost in 2008 and 2012 are now Trump fans. And Trump is many, MANY times more moderate than Romney, and especially 'bombs away' McCain.

It's going to be an interesting election year.

 

[NeverTrump]

Interesting to say the least. Many of the same far right Republicans who bitch and moan about McCain and Romney being too moderate, and who believe their being moderate is why the GOP lost in 2008 and 2012 are now Trump fans. And Trump is many, MANY times more moderate than Romney, and especially 'bombs away' McCain.

It's going to be an interesting election year.

Trump can also be compared to Obama. In some ways, his campaign mirrors Hope and Change but it also replaces it with FU and Change it now! It's no wonder that half of Trump's supporters could have voted for Obama in 2008 but now see "nothing has changed."

 

[Hawkeye10]

Fact is the GOP has put forth way too many moderate presidential candidates who were losers.

Most of the people who call themselves Republicans want to win this time around

Luckily the number of people who falsely believe that Trump will be a weak candidate in the general is going down. If Rubio plays his cards right he will be Trumps VP pick, which will almost certainly make him the next VP, because Trump/Rubio will wipe the floor with any of the people the D's might put up, unless they can get Warren as the POTUS choice, which is highly unlikely.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Interesting to say the least. Many of the same far right Republicans who bitch and moan about McCain and Romney being too moderate, and who believe their being moderate is why the GOP lost in 2008 and 2012 are now Trump fans. And Trump is many, MANY times more moderate than Romney, and especially 'bombs away' McCain.

It's going to be an interesting election year.

Romney never set out to blow up Washington.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I live on the edge of a very large & diverse city: from rags to riches, from Socialists & Communists to T-Partiers & The Federalist Society!

Mr. Trump is playing too a point with the older blue-collar working-class crowd, who around here are often Roman Catholic. Several members of this demo have verbally claimed to me they desire to vote for him.

This is interesting for two reasons:

- These is the very demo that HRC won over President Obama in 2008, and are claimed to be her strength.
- This is a prime demo in Ohio.

So I'm thinking Trump may give Gov Kasich a run in his home state!

And Trump may even bleed-off some Hillary supporters.

He's an interesting phenomenon!

You are one bright individual.

I like that in my friends.

 

[Top Cat]

Luckily the number of people who falsely believe that Trump will be a weak candidate in the general is going down. .

Well there is this...

A new survey from The Washington Post and Univision finds 8-in-10 Latinos view Trump unfavorably, and 7-in-10 view him very unfavorably, more than any other candidate. That survey could leave out a substantial share of Latino voters, however, because of the way it sampled Hispanic or Latino registered voters.

Did Nevada really show Trump has solid Hispanic support? - CNNPolitics.com

Which of course explains the why of this...

Forbes Welcome

:lamo

 

[Top Cat]

You are one bright individual.

I like that in my friends.

:lamo

Mr. Trump is playing too a point

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Romney never set out to blow up Washington.

I didn't say he did. I said many far right cons believe Romney was too moderate to win in 2012. They believe for the GOP to win the White House in 2016 the Republican candidate and Party has to move far to the right. That's been Limbaugh's, among other AM con talking heads, message since 2012.

But Trump ain't that far right conservative guy many on the right have been pining for since 2012. He's actually more moderate than Romney. Trump is center, hell many issues he's even left of center..

If someone believes the GOP lost in 2008 and 2012 because the GOP was too moderate, then there's no way on God's green earth that person should be backing Trump. BUT many are.

 

[Jack Hays]

I didn't say he did. I said many far right cons believe Romney was too moderate to win in 2012. They believe for the GOP to win the White House in 2016 the Republican candidate and Party has to move far to the right. That's been Limbaugh's, among other AM con talking heads, message since 2012.

But Trump ain't that far right conservative guy many on the right have been pining for since 2012. He's actually more moderate than Romney. Trump is center, hell many issues he's even left of center..

If someone believes the GOP lost in 2008 and 2012 because the GOP was too moderate, then there's no way on God's green earth that person should be backing Trump. BUT many are.

Trump voters are attitudinal, not ideological.

 

[Carleen]

Not going to say that. Trump, by his own admission, has dealt with politicians and world business leaders on a regular basis.

He has dealt about business that benefits him. He has no other experience.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Trump voters are attitudinal, not ideological.

A evangelical leader said (paraphrase) "when I look at Trumps face it always says exactly what his lips are saying. I find that refreshing enough that Trump is my guy".

 

[Citizen.Seven]

I don't completely trust Trump with my two hot button issues, guns and taxes. He is a New Yorker, after all, and a wheeler dealer so I suspect that if a sufficient prize became available, he would sell out those issues to strike a bargain. However, both Hillary and Bernie are targeting those from day one, wanting to increase taxes and increase the difficulty in keeping and bearing arms. Consequently, of the three, Trump is by bar the least of three evils. Personally, I would have preferred Paul, Cruz, or maybe Rubio, but it doesn't look like it's going to go that way. Oh well.

 

[clownboy]

I don't completely trust Trump with my two hot button issues, guns and taxes. He is a New Yorker, after all, and a wheeler dealer so I suspect that if a sufficient prize became available, he would sell out those issues to strike a bargain. However, both Hillary and Bernie are targeting those from day one, wanting to increase taxes and increase the difficulty in keeping and bearing arms. Consequently, of the three, Trump is by bar the least of three evils. Personally, I would have preferred Paul, Cruz, or maybe Rubio, but it doesn't look like it's going to go that way. Oh well.

Just to comfort you a bit, his sons are avid hunters and very much long time NRA members in good standing.