Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexit

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

You'd better warn the BBC.

[h=3]Russian propaganda machine 'worse than Soviet Union' - BBC News[/h]www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27713847

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Jun 6, 2014 - As the West threatens further sanctions against Russia over Ukraine, critics compare the message from nationalist Russian media to ...

Worse than the Soviet Union? Hilarious. Perhaps, borderline disgusting. Obviously these people are not historians.

By the way, using the BBC as a source is not a very good idea in a thread wherein multiple people have outlined the UK is the antagonist force in the Brexit Crisis. But... by all means, keep digging the hole you've created.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Worse than the Soviet Union? Hilarious. Obviously these people are not historians. By all means, keep digging the hole you've created.

Take it up with the Russians who offered the assessment.

"Aggressive and deceptive propaganda... worse than anything I witnessed in the Soviet Union," is the verdict of Lev Gudkov, the director of the Levada Centre, Russia's most well respected polling organisation.

Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage captionA military parade passes posters of Lenin and Stalin in Moscow, 1947Cultural historian and publisher Irina Prokhorova goes further - she calls it "Stalinist", reminiscent of the anti-Western hysteria which marked the grim repressive years of the late 1940s.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Take it up with the Russians who offered the assessment.

"Aggressive and deceptive propaganda... worse than anything I witnessed in the Soviet Union," is the verdict of Lev Gudkov, the director of the Levada Centre, Russia's most well respected polling organisation.

Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage captionA military parade passes posters of Lenin and Stalin in Moscow, 1947Cultural historian and publisher Irina Prokhorova goes further - she calls it "Stalinist", reminiscent of the anti-Western hysteria which marked the grim repressive years of the late 1940s.

You've failed to counter my updated post, and thus, failed to counter my post.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

You've failed to counter my updated post, and thus, failed to counter my post.

June 6 2014 was well before Brexit.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

June 6 2014 was well before Brexit.

This has been an issue since 1975, obviously exacerbated exponentially in the 2000's.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

This has been an issue since 1975, obviously exacerbated exponentially in the 2000's.

I'll take that as a concession regarding Russian propaganda.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

I'll take that as a concession regarding Russian propaganda.

Modern-day Russia is not worse than the Soviet Union (what you are obviously insinuating). What planet are you living on?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexit

Economy minister Sigmar Gabriel warned the world now saw Europe as an unstable continent following the shock referendum result in June.

And he urged Brussels not to let Britain "keep the nice things" when it game to negotiating the nation's withdrawal from the bloc.

He said: "Brexit is bad but it won't hurt us as much economically as some fear - it's more of a psychological problem and it's a huge problem politically.

"If we organise Brexit in the wrong way then we'll be in deep trouble, so now we need to make sure that we don't allow Britain to keep the nice things, so to speak, related to Europe while taking no responsibility."​

Uhhhhh... am I the only one who sees how utterly bat**** ****ing crazy the Ultranationalist Kingdom is going?
You are holding an entire continent hostage!
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. This sociopathic ethno-nationalist elitism is spreading like a damn disease and it is a blight upon this planet, driving division and borders between our brothers and sisters and feeding into an authoritarian desire to divide-and-conquer.

The reason why the EU may well go down the drain is for the same reason that Washington and those on his side in the Constitutional Convention chose a strong federal government over a weak confederation, for in a weak confederation, there's much less loyalty or fiduciary incentive to preserve the whole (and is significantly less able to defend itself against attack). The EU was in several respects much like our nation was before the Constitutional Convention - the sovereignty of the states was to many people more important than the nation as a whole. So it is with the EU - the different sovereign nations are each pulling for their own best interests, and so it's much more difficult for them to hang together.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Modern-day Russia is not worse than the Soviet Union (what you are obviously insinuating). What planet are you living on?

Take it up with the Russian who made the comparison. I don't think Russia is any better or worse than the Soviet Union. It's the same unfree thug state it was then.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Take it up with the Russian who made the comparison. I don't think Russia is any better or worse than the Soviet Union. It's the same unfree thug state it was then.

We get it, you hate Russia. That has no bearing on the thread indicative therein (of which you are still blatantly off-topic for your own ulterior motives), or the people discussing it (whom you have utterly failed to convince otherwise). Now that that is understood, are ready to get back on topic, or - if you wish to continue to push said ulterior motive - there is a button at the top of the forum 'labelled' 'POST NEW THREAD'.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Take it up with the Russian who made the comparison. I don't think Russia is any better or worse than the Soviet Union. It's the same unfree thug state it was then.

If you honestly think Russia is the same as it was back when it was the Soviet Union.....


It's not. And operating like it is only leads to trouble.

The problem with listening to dissidents too much is that you forget that's what they are. Dissidents. By their nature they are going to exaggerate. Case in point--- comparing Putin to Stalinism.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

If you honestly think Russia is the same as it was back when it was the Soviet Union.....


It's not. And operating like it is only leads to trouble.

The problem with listening to dissidents too much is that you forget that's what they are. Dissidents. By their nature they are going to exaggerate. Case in point--- comparing Putin to Stalinism.

We are in agreement. Russia is substantially weaker than was the Soviet Union (to the world's great benefit). The "worse than the Soviet Union" assessment concerned only propaganda.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

The start of the break-up | The Economist

Aug 6, 2016 ... What do other countries make of Brexit? ... even more exposed to the whims of the Kremlin, which routinely makes aggressive gestures in their direction, ... By contrastRussia is delighted by the prospect of a weaker Europe.
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[Tigerace117]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

We are in agreement. Russia is substantially weaker than was the Soviet Union (to the world's great benefit). The "worse than the Soviet Union" assessment concerned only propaganda.

Well, the Soviet Union was a superpower. Of course Russia is going to be weaker then it was. It only makes sense.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Well, the Soviet Union was a superpower. Of course Russia is going to be weaker then it was. It only makes sense.

What makes you think the Russian who described Russian propaganda as worse than that of the Soviet Union is a dissident?

[h=3]Lev Gudkov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/h]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Gudkov

Wikipedia


Lev Dmitrievich Gudkov is a Russian sociologist, director of the analytical Levada Center and editor-in-chief of the journal The Russian Public Opinion Herald.‎Scientific activity · ‎Work at the Levada Center · ‎Publications · ‎References



[h=3]Eurozine - Lev Gudkov[/h]www.eurozine.com/authors/gudkov.html

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Russia is degenerating into a police state, society has descended into poverty, and the country is becoming increasingly isolated, writes Lev Gudkov. Worse still: ...


[h=3]Lev Gudkov - Stanford University[/h]web.stanford.edu/group/Russia20/gudkov_b.htm

Stanford University


Dr. Lev Dmitrievich Gudkov, a sociologist, heads the Department of Social and Political Studies at the All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion ...

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

What makes you think the Russian who described Russian propaganda as worse than that of the Soviet Union is a dissident?

[h=3]Lev Gudkov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/h]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Gudkov

Wikipedia


Lev Dmitrievich Gudkov is a Russian sociologist, director of the analytical Levada Center and editor-in-chief of the journal The Russian Public Opinion Herald.‎Scientific activity · ‎Work at the Levada Center · ‎Publications · ‎References



[h=3]Eurozine - Lev Gudkov[/h]www.eurozine.com/authors/gudkov.html

Eurozine


Russia is degenerating into a police state, society has descended into poverty, and the country is becoming increasingly isolated, writes Lev Gudkov. Worse still: ...


[h=3]Lev Gudkov - Stanford University[/h]web.stanford.edu/group/Russia20/gudkov_b.htm

Stanford University


Dr. Lev Dmitrievich Gudkov, a sociologist, heads the Department of Social and Political Studies at the All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion ...

Because he made a statement which at best is a wild exaggeration?

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Because he made a statement which at best is a wild exaggeration?

He's a highly respected sociologist and a senior academic official.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

He's a highly respected sociologist and a senior academic official.

Your allowed to be that and a dissident, you know.

Plus sociology as a whole seems somewhat sketchy in my book. There's a guy whose always quoting from some textbook to argue that African Americans are oppressed on this site....

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Your allowed to be that and a dissident, you know.

Plus sociology as a whole seems somewhat sketchy in my book. There's a guy whose always quoting from some textbook to argue that African Americans are oppressed on this site....

Hmmm. You realize he holds a senior academic position in Russia? He's no dissident; he's an official academic.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Hmmm. You realize he holds a senior academic position in Russia? He's no dissident; he's an official academic.

Probably not for much longer if he keeps going around making comparisons like that. Stalinist they aren't, but unfriendly to criticism? That fits current Russia to a T.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Probably not for much longer if he keeps going around making comparisons like that. Stalinist they aren't, but unfriendly to criticism? That fits current Russia to a T.

He made the quoted statement in 2014 and he's still in his position.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

He made the quoted statement in 2014 and he's still in his position.

That's odd then......

Especially if things had reached Stalinist levels in reality, ironically enough.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

That's odd then......

Especially if things had reached Stalinist levels in reality, ironically enough.

He did not say the society was Stalinist. He said propaganda about Ukraine was worse than during the USSR.

 

[SDET]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

No need to worry, the UK wont get the "nice things" without consequences.. That has been clear from before Brexit. Only the delusional Brexiters actually believed that they could have it all and not pay for it. The longer it takes the UK to trigger article 50, the better it gets for the EU as a whole and the worse of the UK.

But at the moment the UK cant even get enough workers for their Brexit ministry, as those who are offered high paying jobs .. simply refuse or would rather work for the other side.

Also there are more and more reports about banks starting to move jobs to Europe and that will pick up pace as soon as the article 50 is triggered. Wont be long before the car industry and others move.

If the EU keeps pushing, the British should treat the EU as much of an enemy as the Third Reich.

 

[PeteEU]

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Continuing Russian propaganda.

Continuing to ignore the obvious neo-nazi influence in Ukraine... and for the record, Russian expanding into Ukraine is wrong.