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nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, banger of the giant gavel, leader of the caucus, one third of single party control of the united states govt, prodigious fundraiser, known for the iron hand wielding the fearsome whip, cat o nine tails...
merely one member?
Yah, she is one person. I don't think a single dumb statement by her changes the definition of liberalism.
to cram via senate reconciliation a radical reform of the entire united states health care system, one sixth of the economy, relied upon like life itself by seniors and children and moms who are married and moms who are single...
I think its hard to call the reform radical. Even if it was Romney still supported it in MA, so you can't say he is all that much ideologically different than the liberals. You also have to remember that the individual mandate was originally a conservative idea and was supported by the Heritage foundation.
As for the whole senate reconciliation thing, the republicans used that tactic to push for major legislation as well Ezra Klein - Did Republicans use reconciliation for significantly bipartisan bills? . Today a significant portion of our debt is due to the Bush tax cuts which were pushed through with reconciliation.
Both parties have abused reconciliation and the filibuster. To say one party is worse than the other is splitting hairs.
why, the dame was damn near set to DEEM the dumb thing
House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it
one sixth of the economy, vital lifeblood, as critical to the household as air
Democrats Reid, Pelosi prepare to craft Obama's final healthcare bill behind closed doors - latimes.com
obama promised transparency
The reason people were excited about Obama's transparency was because the Bush administration was incredibly secretive. I won't disagree with you that Obama and anyone who defends him should be ashamed because the way that healthcare bill was put together was awful. However that doesn't erase the lack of transparency in the Bush administration and the fact that Romney and Ryan haven't done much to indicate they would do much different.
This is a decent article that explains how similar Bush and Obama have been similarly despicable. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/opinion/27stone.html?pagewanted=all
but you can't sidestep the consequences, at least not outside your own precious little narcissistic musings
Why so hostile? I think there are incredibly dangerous consequences for what Obama has done over the past few years. He has made the strengthening of the security state and the destruction of juridical rights bi-partisan when they were once only upheld by conservatives.
michelle bachmann and the boston slave trade?
LOL!
why even contemplate a point so insignificant and microscopic it can only be seen as purely petty and personal
Because the person I was responding to asked if a republican had said something as dumb as what Pelosi said. You would think Bachmann would know the very basics of American history if she thought one of the bigger problems with our country was that we were moving away from the beliefs of the founding fathers. It is painfully idiotic that she didn't know how the founding fathers acted towards slavery.
I do agree that dumb petty statements by individuals don't necessarily have a bearing on the major issues. That is why I thought it was dumb that Another Lurker thought the pure stupidity of Another Luker's statement didn't constitute some huge ideological difference.
there is a campaign going on over the macro direction of a whole lot more than one sixth of the still most crucial economy on the planet
if major budget reform is not enacted immediately, our precious social programs---social security, medicare and medicaid, as well as public pensions---will simply not exist for our next generation, at least not in the form we've all come to expect
leadership is required
ie, a quarterback not a pusillanimous punter
Of course leadership is required. The problem is that the likely leaders of this country seem to have very similar ideologies.