Father of Michigan school shooter found guilty of manslaughter weeks after mother’s conviction

[Individual]

Correct.

Then I'd have no problem executing him to be certain he could never be let loose in society again.

 

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Then I'd have no problem executing him to be certain he could never be let loose in society again.

Why are you comfortable executing people who could possibly be innocent?

 

[Individual]

Why are you comfortable executing people who could possibly be innocent?

Prove this ones innocence and I'll say I'm sorry.

 

[roguenuke]

Then I'd have no problem executing him to be certain he could never be let loose in society again.

Our society doesn't do that. Not saying he should be released, ever, but he also shouldn't be executed simply because it would be more "convenient" for us, which is essentially your argument. I believe that we should look into better ways to address how we keep longterm, LWOP prisoners, especially seeing if they can be reformed and provide some restitution to society, as some are regretful of their actions and would like to do that, even if they won't get out. It is not likely at all the shooter here will ever get out of prison, as prison breaks/escapes are not at all as common as people think, at least not from high security facilities and/or places that hold LWOP prisoners.

Prison escapes in America: How common are they and what's the real risk?

Prison escapes have made headlines in recent weeks, but how common are they? CBS News dug into the data to find out.

www.cbsnews.com

 

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Prove this ones innocence and I'll say I'm sorry.

I'm sure your apology would be a great comfort to an innocent person who you've already had executed without appeal.

 

[Eriech]

And justice for 4 families is served. Let this be notice to all of these parents who think they aren't responsible when their kids kill innocent people.

We need similar justice for Laken Riley. But for Biden's gross negligence she'd be alive. His body count grows every day.

 

[roguenuke]

We need similar justice for Laken Riley. But for Biden's gross negligence she'd be alive. His body count grows every day.

Are you saying her killer isn't in jail, hasn't been charged with the crimes? That's similar justice for her.

The rest is your partisan BS, blaming people not responsible.

 

[Individual]

Our society doesn't do that. Not saying he should be released, ever, but he also shouldn't be executed simply because it would be more "convenient" for us, which is essentially your argument. I believe that we should look into better ways to address how we keep longterm, LWOP prisoners, especially seeing if they can be reformed and provide some restitution to society, as some are regretful of their actions and would like to do that, even if they won't get out. It is not likely at all the shooter here will ever get out of prison, as prison breaks/escapes are not at all as common as people think, at least not from high security facilities and/or places that hold LWOP prisoners.

Prison escapes in America: How common are they and what's the real risk?

Prison escapes have made headlines in recent weeks, but how common are they? CBS News dug into the data to find out.

www.cbsnews.com

Just saying, it wouldn't bother me if he were to be executed.

 

[Individual]

I'm sure your apology would be a great comfort to an innocent person who you've already had executed without appeal.

Just said that to appease you, as I have no doubt about his guilt.

 

[roguenuke]

Just saying, it wouldn't bother me if he were to be executed.

Most don't agree with that sentiment.

 

[Individual]

Most don't agree with that sentiment.

I don't always agree with the most.

 

[Eriech]

Are you saying her killer isn't in jail, hasn't been charged with the crimes? That's similar justice for her.

The rest is your partisan BS, blaming people not responsible.

No, the parents are going to jail for facilitating another, their son, getting a weapon used in murder. Their crime occured before the shooting. Biden likewise has facilitated another by allowing illegal access to this country resulting in deaths including that of Laken Riley. His crime also occured before Laken's murder and it is ongoing with reckless willful disreguard for border integrity.
Here is another:

Illegal migrant charged in Michigan woman’s killing was deported under Trump but snuck back in: ICE

Brandon Ortiz-Vite allegedly admitted to killing his girlfriend during an argument.

nypost.com

 

[roguenuke]

No, the parents are going to jail for facilitating another, their son, getting a weapon used in murder. Their crime occured before the shooting. Biden likewise has facilitated another by allowing illegal access to this country resulting in deaths including that of Laken Riley. His crime also occured before Laken's murder and it is ongoing with reckless willful disreguard for border integrity.
Here is another:

Illegal migrant charged in Michigan woman’s killing was deported under Trump but snuck back in: ICE

Brandon Ortiz-Vite allegedly admitted to killing his girlfriend during an argument.

nypost.com

The parents directly participated in the deaths of them, by giving their son a weapon, not getting their son, whom they have direct responsibility for as parents, proper mental health care, despite clear indications of problems and him even begging them for it.

This is not at all comparable to your claims of relevance, similarity to the border. The only ones at this time intentionally keeping border security from being improved are Trump/MAGA Republicans. And even then they aren't responsible for the actions of people who do make it in, are here illegally just from that.

 

[Eriech]

The parents directly participated in the deaths of them, by giving their son a weapon, not getting their son, whom they have direct responsibility for as parents, proper mental health care, despite clear indications of problems and him even begging them for it.

This is not at all comparable to your claims of relevance, similarity to the border. The only ones at this time intentionally keeping border security from being improved are Trump/MAGA Republicans. And even then they aren't responsible for the actions of people who do make it in, are here illegally just from that.

Not the same. With Biden it is worse, much worse. We have to cut him slack though, he has been deemed incompetent to face trial.

 

[roguenuke]

Not the same. With Biden it is worse, much worse. We have to cut him slack though, he has been deemed incompetent to face trial.

No, it isn't. Your subjective opinion on it is not anything more than an example of your own political partisanship.

And no, he wasn't "deemed incompetent to face trial", which is another thing that shows how you are passing BS.

 

[Eriech]

No, it isn't. Your subjective opinion on it is not anything more than an example of your own political partisanship.

And no, he wasn't "deemed incompetent to face trial", which is another thing that shows how you are passing BS.

No, all you need to do is open your eyes and connect the dots. Laken is dead because of Biden's border policies. Policies that he implemented from day one. He is as culpable as the mass killer's parents.
Hurr used as his excuse for not indicting Biden for clear violations of classified document laws the likely inability to convict someone so mentally challenged.
Your defending Biden's intentional crisis at the border is the partisanship here.

 

[roguenuke]

No, all you need to do is open your eyes and connect the dots. Laken is dead because of Biden's border policies. Policies that he implemented from day one. He is as culpable as the mass killer's parents.
Hurr used as his excuse for not indicting Biden for clear violations of classified document laws the likely inability to convict someone so mentally challenged.
Your defending Biden's intentional crisis at the border is the partisanship here.

You are just wrong and I'm done with this deflection of the actual thread.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Scapegoating “firearms owners” as having any responsibility for the epidemic of killings by juveniles/mass shooting murders in America is crap.

Put the blame where it actually belongs, with people like the Crumbley’s and others that have been criminally negligent or criminally indulgent.

Actually, all citizens share in responsibility for all of these shootings. ESPECIALLY Gun Nuts. They bear more responsibility than most.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Actually, all citizens share in responsibility for all of these shootings.

Objectively wrong/false.

ESPECIALLY Gun Nuts. They bear more responsibility than most.

The people committing the gun crimes bear virtually all of the blame, and I include “virtually” because of mass shooting murders committed by those who’s actions were facilitated by negligent parents/guardians.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Objectively wrong/false.

The people committing the gun crimes bear virtually all of the blame, and I include “virtually” because of mass shooting murders committed by those who’s actions were facilitated by negligent parents/guardians.

Incorrect.

You see Rale, Gun Nuts and groups like the NRA actively lobby to keep guns easily available over the counter to half baked freaks.

Time and again we read about how another sick gun freak walked into a store and easily purchased a Mass Murder Machine, and then went and shot a bunch of people with it.
Theres a lot of blood on Gun Nut hands, thats a fact.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Incorrect.

You see Rale, Gun Nuts and groups like the NRA actively lobby to keep guns easily available over the counter to half baked freaks.

Time and again we read about how another sick gun freak walked into a store and easily purchased a Mass Murder Machine, and then went and shot a bunch of people with it.
Theres a lot of blood on Gun Nut hands, thats a fact.

Hoploohiles are at one end of the 2A debate. Extremest views like yours are at the other end.

Neither are helpful to the gun violence debate.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Hoploohiles are at one end of the 2A debate. Extremest views like yours are at the other end.

Neither are helpful to the gun violence debate.

Are you not aware that groups like the NRA, and other Gun Nut groups, do indeed lobby to keep US gun laws insanely lax?

What about that do you see as an "extremist view"? Its nothing more than acknowledgment of a fact.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Are you not aware that groups like the NRA, and other Gun Nut groups, do indeed lobby to keep US gun laws insanely lax?

Yes, I’ve long been aware of gun groups lobbying Congress.

What about that do you see as an "extremist view"?

Your categorization of firearms owners and firearms owners/2A advocacy groups.

Its nothing more than acknowledgment of a fact.

In your mind.

The vast majority of Americans that own firearms, including myself, do not belong to any firearms clubs/groups, etc., and share many of the same firearms concerns as Americans that do not own firearms.

 

[jaeger19]

Nope. This problem is directly a consequence of the attitudes towards firearms that are prevalent in our society. Few, if any states, penalize parents for insecure storage (primarily because NRA wants to promote easy access to loaded guns in homes for security).

Yeah..gotta love you antis.
You post an example of parents being held accountable for their child's actions with a firearm..( due to negligence)..
Then go on claim that gun owners aren't held accountable.

Oh yeah..and numerous gun owners on this website stated tgat the parents SHOULD be held accountable in this case..
And yet you go on to claim that gun owners have an attitude that parents shouldn't be held accountable!!!

Cripes the intellectually gymnastics you anti gunners will do.

Next will be the classic.." guns make everywhere more dangerous and increase violent crime".
Followed quickly by " why should you WANT to carry a firearm..there is nothing to be afraid of"..

Lmao. So silly.

 

[Spock]

Yeah..gotta love you antis.
You post an example of parents being held accountable for their child's actions with a firearm..( due to negligence)..
Then go on claim that gun owners aren't held accountable.

Oh yeah..and numerous gun owners on this website stated tgat the parents SHOULD be held accountable in this case..
And yet you go on to claim that gun owners have an attitude that parents shouldn't be held accountable!!!

Cripes the intellectually gymnastics you anti gunners will do.

Next will be the classic.." guns make everywhere more dangerous and increase violent crime".
Followed quickly by " why should you WANT to carry a firearm..there is nothing to be afraid of"..

Lmao. So silly.

You have gotten confused again. Allowable unsafe storage habits means that gun owners are not expected to protect others from access.
Parents are presumed to NOT be criminally accountable in law for acts by adult children unless they are in a unique situation like the Michigan shooter.
It all is consistent with the NRA attitude toward guns-- reduce accountability for firearm violence.
Even in this thread, many gun nuts have asserted that parents should never be held accountable for acts by relatives.
The idea of vicarious liability is severely restricted for firearms-- i.e. no accountability.