Do you hold people's political views against them?

[ocean515]

No, that's the deniers who get the instant best sellers. The "pushers" have to go through the process of using peer-reviewed journals and such.

LOL.

Yeah, the peers who are also paid to carry the torch. They must be really shocked their gravy train may be threatened.

I imagine the dictators and other third world despots are pissed the windfall they planned to line their pockets with may not materialize.

The globalists holding the strings on the research they funded are probably trying to figure out some other way to get their hands on such vast sums of money.

 

[Russell797]

LOL.

Yeah, the peers who are also paid to carry the torch. They must be really shocked their gravy train may be threatened.

I imagine the dictators and other third world despots are pissed the windfall they planned to line their pockets with may not materialize.

The globalists holding the strings on the research they funded are probably trying to figure out some other way to get their hands on such vast sums of money.

More conspiracy theory.....Hey you thought Tucker was supporting your case it would seem. Don't do so well when taken off script do you.

When the National Academies agree with you guys, then you have some credibility....now here comes another conspiracy theory.

 

[ocean515]

More conspiracy theory.....Hey you thought Tucker was supporting your case it would seem. Don't do so well when taken off script do you.

When the National Academies agree with you guys, then you have some credibility....now here comes another conspiracy theory.

For a "scientific" mind, you seem to struggle with perception. I know Tucker wasn't supporting my case. He's just as indoctrinated as most on the left. Perhaps considerably more, since "Progressive" is a label proudly worn.

When you get down from the pseudo-intellectual pedestal you imagine you deserve to be on, you might try to learn about those things you have turned a blind eye to.

They aren't conspiracies, they are fact.

Farewell to the man who invented 'climate change? - Telegraph

https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg3/en/ch2s2-6-3.html

U.S. GAO - Key Issues: Climate Change Funding and Management

https://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2014/june/world-needs-48-trillion-in-investment-to-meet-its-energy-needs-to-2035.html


When the "scientific" community acknowledges the details above, and explains why they have abandoned the scientific method, perhaps credibility can be mentioned in the same breath as "climate science".

 

[Mason66]

But is that holding their views against them or is that holding there jackassedness against them?

Sometimes one leads to the other.

 

[Mason66]

It depends on the specific person who holds the political view and the view in question. If I have respect for someone and then I discover that they hold racist or sexist political views, I will lose some respect for them. I will be dissapointed in them. I can still see the qualities that I respected in them before, but my overall esteem for them is lesser because of that political view they hold.

Is saying women are bad drivers a sexist opinion you would have a problem with?

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Yes, Sometimes. Question is wrong. If I agree with their political views I will not hold it against them. Poll does not allow for this option... But let's stick to the question asked. Yes, of course I can and will hold someone's opinion against someone at times. You make friends because you like them and in order to like someone you have to agree on some factors. And their political view may be one of them. Lets talk cliché here for a sec, but if someone says that he wants to ban all Muslims at the border and send them back than I will hold that against him. When someone believes that all Jews should be gassed in Auschwitz we also hold that against him right? And when I was 17 years old and made a party in my house and someone told me that a friends boyfriend should not come to the party because he was black I told him immediately that he was not welcome on my party anymore because if a friend of mine has chosen a coloured guy as her boyfriend than that is her choice and I respect that of course.

Joey

 

[_Sal]

It is not usually their political views that are the problem. Rather it is the person's presentation usually done in a manner purposely meant to belittle others.

Self respect means being respectful.

Lots of people out there with no self respect and lots of them post on the internet because it is easy to degrade another when you don't have to face them.

 

[vesper]

I found this past election cycle to be so divisive that I avoided talking about politics with others. Worst.Election.Ever.......

I pretty much avoided this place for the same reason.

I found another site that was more in line with my views to avoid conflict but it turned into #NeverTrumpers after the primary. And now many of them are suffering with butt hurt that Trump won and are salivating waiting for him to fail.

I do not want to see him fail in spite of himself for the sake of the country.

 

[German guy]

But is that holding their views against them or is that holding there jackassedness against them?

Well there are certain kinds of "political" view that are jackassy in themselves. If someone, say, says minority X shall be put into gas chambers... is this still a "political view", or is it jackassedness, or both?

 

[Smeagol]

Poll incoming.

In the past 8 or so years, I've noticed political views often parallel social views. I'm black so I have friends and family on the left. I'm also a republican so not all but a lot of my friends are also on the right. I also have a demeanor where people feel free to let their hair down and say what they're really thinking privately. I have more than one friend who in numerous roundabout ways have said things that indicate deep down just don't feel America is in a healthy place unless white people are in charge of key institutions with room for minorities either serving in support roles are in co-leadership roles. Meanwhile, they declare themselves to not be racist because they have black friends or have done kind things for a few black people. This, my friends, is call White Supremacy and its been sobering for my friends to whom I've pointed this out because they never honestly looked at it that way. Nevertheless, they did not deny it and seemed to want to take time for self-reflection.

To your question: do I hold it against them? I don't think so but I do now realize in more cases than I'd like to admit, A LOT of people out there including friends of mine are racists. I do not think its accurate to say they hate blacks. They do however believe blacks and other minorities have their (unequal) place in society, which is to be a support to white leadership.

 

[Gonzo Rodeo]

In the past 8 or so years, I've noticed political views often parallel social views. I'm black so I have friends and family on the left. I'm also a republican so not all but a lot of my friends are also on the right. I also have a demeanor where people feel free to let their hair down and say what they're really thinking privately. I have more than one friend who in numerous roundabout ways have said things that indicate deep down just don't feel America is in a healthy place unless white people are in charge of key institutions with room for minorities either serving in support roles are in co-leadership roles. Meanwhile, they declare themselves to not be racist because they have black friends or have done kind things for a few black people. This, my friends, is call White Supremacy and its been sobering for my friends to whom I've pointed this out because they never honestly looked at it that way. Nevertheless, they did not deny it and seemed to want to take time for self-reflection.

To your question: do I hold it against them? I don't think so but I do now realize in more cases than I'd like to admit, A LOT of people out there including friends of mine are racists. I do not think its accurate to say they hate blacks. They do however believe blacks and other minorities have their (unequal) place in society, which is to be a support to white leadership.

Thank you for your story. You actually sound like a lot of the people I hang out with.

If you don't mind, I have two questions for you:

1. Did you vote for Obama in 2008? 2012?

2. What do your friends think about Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Allen West, and Herman Cain?

 

[Smeagol]

Thank you for your story. You actually sound like a lot of the people I hang out with.

If you don't mind, I have two questions for you:

1. Did you vote for Obama in 2008? 2012?

2. What do your friends think about Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Allen West, and Herman Cain?

I dislike (most) democrat policies but hate republican culture even more. After a very long reflection, I voted for McCain in 2008. Knowing Obama was going to win anyway probably made it easy. However, by 2012 I was so thoroughly disgusted with the republican party, I voted for Obama in protest. The Shirley Sherrod slander, using camera phone footage of an after-school fight on a school bus to incite racial tension, the birther movement, saying the rescue of Captain Phillips "was just Obama killing a few black teenagers," cheering violent crime including murder in the city of Chicago because it can be linked in some way to Obama,etc.

The standard for blacks to be "republican enough" and by extension, in their thinking "American enough" is much higher for blacks than whites. Allen West, Ben Carson and Herman Cain make the mark but not Colin Powell (even before he endorsed Obama.) Michael Steele was okay as a case member but not as leader. Meanwhile moderate white republicans like McCain, Graham and Romney are accepted into the big tent.

 

[Gonzo Rodeo]

I dislike (most) democrat policies but hate republican culture even more. After a very long reflection, I voted for McCain in 2008. Knowing Obama was going to win anyway probably made it easy. However, by 2012 I was so thoroughly disgusted with the republican party, I voted for Obama in protest. The Shirley Sherrod slander, using camera phone footage of an after-school fight on a school bus to incite racial tension, the birther movement, saying the rescue of Captain Phillips "was just Obama killing a few black teenagers," cheering violent crime including murder in the city of Chicago because it can be linked in some way to Obama,etc.

The standard for blacks to be "republican enough" and by extension, in their thinking "American enough" is much higher for blacks than whites. Allen West, Ben Carson and Herman Cain make the mark but not Colin Powell (even before he endorsed Obama.) Michael Steele was okay as a case member but not as leader. Meanwhile moderate white republicans like McCain, Graham and Romney are accepted into the big tent.

I'm much in the same boat, the only difference being that I'm white. I feel the same way about Republicans that you do, but I also feel that same way about Democrats. My protest vote this year was for Johnson. My 2012 vote, however, was for Romney, as I found Democrat divisive politics more abhorrent than Republican divisive politics during the same time frame, and I genuinely like Romney and feel like he would have done an excellent job.

 

[faithful_servant]

It depends.

If we are talking about differences between economics or trade policies, or gun policies, or other such matters, no, probably not. Hell even differences of religion don't normally interfere with things for me.

But if your views include contempt or hatred for people who are systematically discriminated against, then yes, I will hold your hateful views against you. I have cut off former friends and even a couple family members because they got so bad in this regard, and I have ZERO regrets about having done so. In fact my life is literally better off without them.

..and there is a classic example of what is wrong with too many on the Left. Had you stopped at "people", you would have had a point, but once you limited your comment to only one specific group of people (poorly defined and highly subjective), you cross the line from a rational person to your basic illogical SJW.

 

[Ockham]

I try not to, but when they end up being inane douchebags, the effort on my part drops.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Only if it encourages killing people.

 

[Smeagol]

I'm much in the same boat, the only difference being that I'm white. I feel the same way about Republicans that you do, but I also feel that same way about Democrats. My protest vote this year was for Johnson. My 2012 vote, however, was for Romney, as I found Democrat divisive politics more abhorrent than Republican divisive politics during the same time frame, and I genuinely like Romney and feel like he would have done an excellent job.

I agree there's decisiveness and idiocy on both sides but two points:

1. I became a republican in my early 20s because I thought the republicans were better than that. The party of God and country. Doing the right thing. Having values. I do not (or did not) expect the republicans and the democrats to be ethically equal so I hold my own party to a higher standard. What I got was lip-service on social issues along with bait and switch tax-breaks and deregulation that allows multi-millionaires to shaft their employees under a theory that if they have more money, they'll create more jobs and pay their hard working people better. The reality is the jobs they create are in Asia and instead of paying their employees better, they give them pay cuts while the facts that don't lie, clearly show executive compensation is exponentially higher that it was only a sort time ago. I'm not complaining that executives are being well paid, only when they do their employees wrong with pay cuts and efforts to deny them benefits.


2. The specific people in the democrat party who engage in divisiveness are generally no-name left-wing loons who not even democrats respect, with a few exceptions. On the other hand, the specific people engaging in divisiveness in the republican party are some of the most influential people in the GOP. Highly influential pundits and media outlets with tens of millions of followers who live on their every word, officials elected to high office, etc. In my opinion, you cannot compare the 2 and remain honest.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

I agree there's decisiveness and idiocy on both sides but two points:

1. I became a republican in my early 20s because I thought the republicans were better than that. The party of God and country. Doing the right thing. Having values. I do not (or did not) expect the republicans and the democrats to be ethically equal so I hold my own party to a higher standard. What I got was lip-service on social issues along with bait and switch tax-breaks and deregulation that allows multi-millionaires to shaft their employees under a theory that if they have more money, they'll create more jobs and pay their hard working people better. The reality is the jobs they create are in Asia and instead of paying their employees better, they give them pay cuts while the facts that don't lie, clearly show executive compensation is exponentially higher that it was only a sort time ago. I'm not complaining that executives are being well paid, only when they do their employees wrong with pay cuts and efforts to deny them benefits.


2. The specific people in the democrat party who engage in divisiveness are generally no-name left-wing loons who not even democrats respect, with a few exceptions. On the other hand, the specific people engaging in divisiveness in the republican party are some of the most influential people in the GOP. Highly influential pundits and media outlets with tens of millions of followers who live on their every word, officials elected to high office, etc. In my opinion, you cannot compare the 2 and remain honest.

A most astute observation.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Poll incoming.

Their opinion doesn't matter as much as how they came to that opinion and their honesty discussing the opinion.

 

[Sherman123]

Poll incoming.

How can you not? If someone, who is otherwise an affable person, let's slip that they're actually a national socialist of course I'm going to judge them. That's the extreme end of the continuum but you get the idea. If you hold manifestly offensive beliefs you're going to be judged on them because your character is more than just your outward personality.

 

[Fledermaus]

Depends. Are they an utter jackass?


If so, yes.

But there are lovable jackasses.

 

[Phys251]

..and there is a classic example of what is wrong with too many on the Left. Had you stopped at "people", you would have had a point, but once you limited your comment to only one specific group of people (poorly defined and highly subjective), you cross the line from a rational person to your basic illogical SJW.

So it is more important to you to deny that some groups of people are targeted than it is to concede that I may have had a point? Congratulations, you just made my point for me.

And for the record, don't even think of trying to patronize me as an "SJW" at least until I get my first threat of death, rape, or other form of violence. Which I haven't yet.

 

[Russell797]

I found this past election cycle to be so divisive that I avoided talking about politics with others. Worst.Election.Ever.......

I pretty much avoided this place for the same reason.

I found another site that was more in line with my views to avoid conflict but it turned into #NeverTrumpers after the primary. And now many of them are suffering with butt hurt that Trump won and are salivating waiting for him to fail.

I do not want to see him fail in spite of himself for the sake of the country.

I want him to spectacularly fail at dismantling the EPA, devastating the NASA Earth science programs, and pulling the U.S. out of Paris climate deal.

I want him to fail to bring back dirty coal and it's jobs.

I hope he and the Republicans can improve upon Obamacare. I hope he succeeds in a major infrastructure upgrade and improvement which hopefully includes rebuilding the electrical grid and a massive deployment of clean, renewable energy. That's where the blue collar jobs will come from.

 

[Removable Mind]

Oh, brother! I see Pinocchios all over the place.

 

[Fishking]

But is that holding their views against them or is that holding there jackassedness against them?

What do you mean by holding their views against them? Is it being friends with people of opposing views or cutting them out of your life/friendship? Is it hiring practicing? I don't know what that means. Do I think certain thoughts about their political beliefs? Sometimes.