Irrelevant. We are discussing the issue under a medical context. I am not concerned with where it started. I am simply concerned with the medical value of the procedure now, which has been proven by studies that you cannot refute. I'm not going to make this into a "nuns barbecued my cat when I was 10 and made me watch them eat it so now I hate all things Jesus" rant just for your therapeutic convenience.
The underlined is an ad hom, just in case you didn't realize.
I do not need to refute the medical studies. I simply refute the procedure as unnecessary. When something is unnecessary and an alternative is available, only a fool or a benefactor would defend the unnecessary. Are you getting paid to defend or perform circumcisions?
No, we did not agree to that. You asserted that. I disagree.
Then what were you talking about here when I said:
"You still haven't acknowledged that surgery to remove healthy tissue should be the last stop, not the first. "
and you replied
I have. I said I don't agree with your assessment. I thought you understand what a disagreement is. :doh
So you do or don't agree that surgery to remove healthy tissue should be the last stop, not the first?
That circumcision has a health value and that there is no violation of rights or dignity in its medical practice.
The "health value" is a specious argument and is therefore fallacious. Surgically removing tissue instead of cleaning it is criminal in my opinion. And there are better ways to prevent STDs making the procedure for this purpose a poor substitute.
I disagree on the violation of rights because it is an unnecessary procedure.
Dignity? I believe that you do harm the childs dignity. Do you have some proof that it does not?
Just like the above which was nothing more than ad hom at it's finest? Okay, sport...you keep fooling yourself and everyone else will keep laughing at you.
The underlined is an ad hom, just in case you didn't realize it.
Nothing ridiculous about it. You stated an absolute. I demonstrated where your absolute is patently false. Sorry you find that so inconvenient but it is what it is. Deal with it.
I will now demonstrate that you are wrong. I did not make an absolute statement.
Boob job: A push up or enhancement bra would be a first effort.
Facelift: cosmetic usage would be a first effort and then maybe collagen injections.
Chin and nose jobs: cosmetic applications would be a first effort.
Sorry, you fail.
I refuse to indulge what you have already stated is ridiculous. Moving right along...
But you said they are not ridiculous and you posit them as evidence for your position. So why not defend them now? Or would you rather just stick with your attempted escape from the poor argument you made?