BORDER FLOOD BEFORE VOTE... 275,000 born to illegals in one year...

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....7% OF ALL U.S. BIRTHS...

MCALLEN, Texas (CBSNewYork/AP) — There has been a surge of immigrants illegally crossing into the United States leading up to next month’s presidential election.

CBS News reports dozens of immigrants have been streaming through the streets of McAllen, Texas, on a daily basis. They have been taken to a migrant center at Sacred Heart Catholic Church where they were released by Border Patrol, with ankle monitors, while they file for asylum.
Spike In Immigrants Illegally Crossing Into US Ahead Of Election « CBS New York


Moms in the United States illegally gave birth to 275,000 babies in 2014, enough birthright U.S. citizens to fill a city the size of Orlando, Florida, according to an analysis of data from the National Center for Health Statistics.
Feds: 275,000 born to illegals in one year, would fill city the size of Orlando | Washington Examiner

How are leftists supposed to ruin America and its culture, which they loathe, if they aren't free to undermine its sovereignty by letting in a flood of illegal aliens? You seem to be one of those out-of-date people who thinks this awful country is worth preserving.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

That (bolded above) assertion is also true of any particular weapon (or tool that can be used as such). If no X is present in the household then it is far less likely that X violence will occur in that household. Why include a study to justify what common sense already affords us? The point of having a gun, or other self-defense weapon, is to counter the inherent advantage of a potential attacker/criminal. The idea that we can (must?) rely on government agents alone, for our personal defense and home security, has not been shown to work well.

Strawman much? The study was compared to households with and without firearms...and the households without firearms would almost certainly have had knives and hammers and such...but the difference was still 22X higher with firearms than without.

 

[ludin]

Ahhh how sweet you think there were any real tests conducted on the cattle call of immigrants passing through Ellic Island...

They didn't turn a 'great deal' (please put a percentage to that) of people as the US Gubmint didn't want to foot the return bill and most of the Huddled Masses were as broke as they were yearning to breathe free.

According to the Scientific American (Jan 1, 2015) 20% were given any real examinations- medical or mental- and about 2% were returned to their port of origin...

2% isn't a 'good deal of people' in my book... eace

Shows that you don't know much about it then.
They were given tests including medical tests.

Questionable candidates were forced to submit to more detailed questioning and medical exams, and any signs of contagious disease, poor physique, feeblemindedness or insanity could see an immigrant denied admittance on the grounds that they were likely to become a ward of the state. In later years, doctors at Ellis Island even devised puzzles and memory tests to ensure that certain immigrants were intelligent enough to find work. New arrivals could also face rejection if they were anarchists, had a criminal record or showed signs of low moral character.

looks like you were wrong.

2% of 12m is about 250k people that did not enter.

The other thing that you overlook is that there was a ton of work available at the time and the massive influx of workers was required.
Now we do not have that same demand for labor.

We need skilled labor and people that can do skill labored work.

 

[ludin]

I thought you were referring to current law and suggestions.

Slavery was legal at one time, so I'm not sure where you are going with these 50+ year old references.

Was the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, signed into law by Bill Clinton, bigoted?

That is the only way he can actually make an argument is by pointing to something 50+ years old.
No sovereign nation on earth allows 12m illegal to just enter their country and nothing be done about it.

Mexico will deport you faster than you can count to 5.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

That is the only way he can actually make an argument is by pointing to something 50+ years old.
No sovereign nation on earth allows 12m illegal to just enter their country and nothing be done about it.

Mexico will deport you faster than you can count to 5.

If you limit the number to 12M total, you'd be right. BUT if you looked at that number as a percentage of America's total population (about 3.6%), and realize that they didn't all show up at once, but instead came over decades, then there's quite a few such instances in history and in the modern day.

 

[Mac77]

Except when he has.

Or maybe he would do so for the good of the Nation.

I have not seen any more pushback from ryan against obama than we got from boehnor.

 

[thinkagain]

You have absolutely no respect for decency and LAW do you ?

A nation without borders and law will soon be a lawless cesspool of poverty and human suffering.

Oh wait! We've already become that under Socialists like Hillary and Obama.

We have borders and the flow of immigrants out is not greater than the flow in.

In general, I am not that worried about immigrants unless they are Islamists. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. If they are Islamists however, then I have a problem.

 

[Mac77]

Funny but so far all he has really done is HIRE them and when they were done working he refused to pay them.

Donald Trump and Undocumented Workers at Trump Tower

What we usually find from these anti employeer exposes is that a sub contractor used illegal alien labor not the businessman you are attacking.

And since illegal aliens are swarming over the country like ants at a 4th of July picnic they are likely to turn up anywhere.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Your comment is exactly what I referred to on a different post about how the left responds to a specific question for debate. Why not answer the question or the topic instead of insulting the poster? Just because you do not agree with people breaking the law who happen to be other than white, does not make you a hater of the race/ethnicity. It means you are a hater of the crime. People need to start policing their words as this kind of comment just leads to more issues and more destruction of our communities.

Policing my words!? Sounds like some PC libbo fascist ****!

 

[Mac77]

Yes, that IS my choice. You see things your way, I see them mine.

Did I offend you by saying it was your choice?

Lets hope it remains my choice also.

 

[iguanaman]

What we usually find from these anti employeer exposes is that a sub contractor used illegal alien labor not the businessman you are attacking.

And since illegal aliens are swarming over the country like ants at a 4th of July picnic they are likely to turn up anywhere.

LOL That is Trumps claim but the evidence does not back it up. Not that you care, you believe everythng that liar says I bet. See my sig.

during a Republican primary debate this year, Trump described himself as removed from the problem. “I hire a contractor. The contractor then hires the subcontractor,” he said. “They have people. I don’t know. I don’t remember, that was so many years ago, 35 years ago.”

But thousands of pages of documents from the case, including reams of testimony and sworn depositions reviewed by TIME, tell a different story. Kept for more than a decade in 13 boxes in a federal judiciary storage unit in Missouri, the documents contain testimony that Trump sought out the Polish workers when he saw them on another job, instigated the creation of the company that paid them and negotiated the hours they would work. The papers contain testimony that Trump repeatedly toured the site where the men were working, directly addressed them about pay problems and even promised to pay them himself, which he eventually did.

The documents show that after things got ugly over unpaid wages, Trump sought Sullivan’s advice on the workers and their immigration status. At one point, a lawyer for the Poles testified, Trump threatened, through his own lawyer, to call the Immigration and Naturalization Service and have the workers deported. And when the Labor Department launched a probe of the Polish laborers, Trump again called Sullivan for help, asking him to meet the federal investigator at Trump’s office, according to the documents.

Donald Trump and Undocumented Workers at Trump Tower

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Did I offend you by saying it was your choice?

Lets hope it remains my choice also.

And as long as you remain a law-abiding citizen, I've got zero problem with it being your choice. I grew up with guns, got my quals and ribbons in the Navy, owned them as a young man...so I'm certainly not a firearm-o-phobe as some here seem to think. I just personally have no use for them. You want them, fine - you're welcome to them within the law.

 

[Mac77]

And as long as you remain a law-abiding citizen, I've got zero problem with it being your choice.

.

I'm sure you mean that now.

But I suspect you will have zero problem also should the liberals in washington decide that Americans cant be trusted to own guns.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Strawman much? The study was compared to households with and without firearms...and the households without firearms would almost certainly have had knives and hammers and such...but the difference was still 22X higher with firearms than without.

How, exactly, would knives or hammers in a home ever be expected to affect gun violence in a home? Even a moron should know that a gun is needed to have gun violence, just as a hammer is needed to have hammer violence. Someone using a gun is the constant and essential element in all gun violence studies and statistics - why is that very basic concept so hard for you to grasp?

 

[ludin]

If you limit the number to 12M total, you'd be right. BUT if you looked at that number as a percentage of America's total population (about 3.6%), and realize that they didn't all show up at once, but instead came over decades, then there's quite a few such instances in history and in the modern day.

It doesn't matter how they came here. They did so illegally and against the law.
Either the laws of our nation matter or they don't. if they don't then that has to be applied to everyone equally.

The law doesn't pick winners or losers or at least it isn't supposed to.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

How, exactly, would knives or hammers in a home ever be expected to affect gun violence in a home? Even a moron should know that a gun is needed to have gun violence, just as a hammer is needed to have hammer violence. Someone using a gun is the constant and essential element in all gun violence studies and statistics - why is that very basic concept so hard for you to grasp?

You're trying REALLY hard to twist words and purposefully misunderstand my post. If your fantasy held any water, then the homicide rate in homes WITHOUT firearms in the home would be just as high as in homes WITH firearms...even those homes WITHOUT firearms would almost certainly all have hammers and knives. But that is obviously not the case.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

I'm sure you mean that now.

But I suspect you will have zero problem also should the liberals in washington decide that Americans cant be trusted to own guns.

I've often said that the day that guns are totally outlawed, I'll be first in line to buy one.

Look, the overwhelming majority of gun owners are good, reasonable, law-abiding citizens, right? Right. That is true, even though there's quite a few on the left who seem to think otherwise.

Is all that a true statement? Sure is...and I am quite certain you agree. NOW put the shoe on the other foot: the overwhelming majority of those who believe in increased gun control are good, reasonable, law-abiding citizens...and while we strongly support increased gun control (heck, I can show you reliable polls that show 90% of Republicans want increased background checks), I challenge you to find ANY poll showing that Democrats support getting rid of all guns.

Y'all are almost all good, reasonable, hard-working law-abiding citizens...and the same goes for us. It's time we all realized this.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You're trying REALLY hard to twist words and purposefully misunderstand my post. If your fantasy held any water, then the homicide rate in homes WITHOUT firearms in the home would be just as high as in homes WITH firearms...even those homes WITHOUT firearms would almost certainly all have hammers and knives. But that is obviously not the case.

OK, but that is still assuming that no other factors matter. Key differences (other factors?) may be that those more prone to (domestic?) violence and/or suicide or those that live in higher crime areas are also more apt to keep guns in their homes. Another great possibility is that a gun is simply the best (most efficient?) tool to inflict a fatal wound and thus use of other (lesser?) tools yield lower fatality rates.

Correlation is not necessarily causation. For example, aggressive drivers tend to prefer different types of personal vehicles - would a study showing that certain personal vehicle types "cause" aggressive driving be valid?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

It doesn't matter how they came here. They did so illegally and against the law.
Either the laws of our nation matter or they don't. if they don't then that has to be applied to everyone equally.

The law doesn't pick winners or losers or at least it isn't supposed to.

Funny how y'all dearly LOVE the law when it supports what you personally want...but the moment the law says what y'all don't want to hear, y'all start going around crying "big government!", "statism!", "out-of-control regulation!!!!"

It even goes so far as the Constitution, too - y'all dearly love (your personal interpretation of) the Second Amendment, but when it comes to freedom of religion applying to Islam, or equal protection under the law, or - more recently - women having the right to vote (when it became known that if only men voted, Trump would win in a landslide)...heck, y'all would toss the Constitution under the bus in a heartbeat if it meant that y'all got to do what y'all wanted to do.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

I believe we have worse offenders; "jaywalking across a State line" is only a misdemeanor, for a common law reason.

I support Persons in the US feeling an impetus to making like Yankees, for ingenuity purposes, instead of merely whining about "competition" like lousy Capitalists.

If they are legal immigrants the child is clearly a citizen. If the child is born here by visitors or criminals trying to circumvent our immigration laws then no the child is not be automatically made a citizen. Rewarding criminal behavior may be supported by the left but that does not make it right.

 

[notquiteright]

I thought you were referring to current law and suggestions. Slavery was legal at one time, so I'm not sure where you are going with these 50+ year old references. Was the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, signed into law by Bill Clinton, bigoted?

Silly dodge, most wax warmly to 'the past' where legal immigrants lined up to come in through Ellis Island and 'did it correctly'... unless they were not of the ethnicity desired- then they were blocked.

We have a wild eyed few on the rabid right who would deport and ban any and all Muslims from being here, so while slavery maybe a dead reference the older immigration laws are not...

most rant on and on about what the Founders thought and we see their concept of 'all men being created equal' really means only white men of substance and position...

I don't see the IIRIRA as bigoted, perhaps a bit over the top in some areas- like lowering the standard for immediately deportation. However as far as signing it, the Senate's vote shows us they could have over turned a veto.

It was more a compromise to get amnesty for those already here for a year IIRC and a nod to the right wing to get tough on crime...

Perhaps wash is a better term than bigoted... eace

 

[Mac77]

If they are legal immigrants the child is clearly a citizen. If the child is born here by visitors or criminals trying to circumvent our immigration laws then no the child is not be automatically made a citizen. Rewarding criminal behavior may be supported by the left but that does not make it right.

The anchor baby loophole is real.

It shouldnt be

but foreigners are taking advantage and getting away with it.

 

[notquiteright]

Shows that you don't know much about it then. They were given tests including medical tests. Questionable candidates were forced to submit to more detailed questioning and medical exams, and any signs of contagious disease, poor physique, feeblemindedness or insanity could see an immigrant denied admittance on the grounds that they were likely to become a ward of the state. In later years, doctors at Ellis Island even devised puzzles and memory tests to ensure that certain immigrants were intelligent enough to find work. New arrivals could also face rejection if they were anarchists, had a criminal record or showed signs of low moral character. looks like you were wrong. 2% of 12m is about 250k people that did not enter. The other thing that you overlook is that there was a ton of work available at the time and the massive influx of workers was required. Now we do not have that same demand for labor. We need skilled labor and people that can do skill labored work.

Shows you aren't good at dodging facts... I don't claim only 20% got a realistic medical exam, nor is 2% barred from entry rate mine...it is the Scientific American.

2% is a TEENY TINY barely a blip on the statistic chart, to frame it in a realistic term, 11,750,000 people out of 12m GAINED entry... :doh

Most of the tests you say were developed weren't used very widespread, in fact most immigrants never saw any test other than a quick visual as they walked by...

Now just how did the officials determine an immigrant was an anarchist, had a criminal record in the old country, and just how can you tell by looking a person is of low moral character (Remember the immigrant can't run for public office)

Fluff and no sense... immigrants who didn't ooze, puke, jack off in line, offer to do the entry clerk for a dollar passed the 'battery of tests'

I don't overlook labor issues, most Americans wouldn't do the back breaking work immigrants will at any sort of productive level for any length of time... eace

 

[JoeTrumps]

10% of all births in the US last year were to illegal aliens.
any other time, and in any other country, and that statistic would be a national scandal and a solution would not be asked for: it would be DEMANDED.

but to do so now is to be called an immigrant-hater, and anyone trying to solve the problem is quickly labeled a racist.

that's how far down the road we have gone to being totally screwed.

fun times

 

[RAMOSS]

We will see.

I believe hillary when she talks about open borders and an unending flood of imigrants.

including hundreds of thousands of syrians.

So I'm willing to take my chances with trump

Where does she say that? Can you show me the statement, a news clip or what ever, that shows it in context??