I think I must have confused you with phrases like "most likely" and "quite probably". You also seem confused in that you think what you just said disproved anything I said. The effectiveness of the stimulus is questionable, and it is questionable whether we would be better off without Obama's efforts on behalf of the economy. You claimed it was not, and yet offered zero evidence to back it up. I simply pointed out that your claim that there was "no question" was in fact false.
Michelle Bachmann is either dumb as a rock or she is lying maybe a little of both.
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I've decided she is just bat-**** crazy.
The results speak for themselves, 4 million less employed today than when the stimulus plan was signed in February 2009 and only 3 trillion was added to the debt. That is a success in your world?
The results speak for themselves, 4 million less employed today than when the stimulus plan was signed in February 2009 and only 3 trillion was added to the debt. That is a success in your world?
Compared to how things may have been without the stimulus, quite possibly.
It has been almost a week now since republicans have been elected why haven't things turned around:scared::tink::monkey
So let me see if I have this right, Obama gets passed and signs a 800+ billion stimulus plan and unemployment increased by over 4 million and you claim things could have been worse? How do you know things could have been worse? The country came out of recession in June 2009 so what did the Stimulus plan do to bring the country out of recession since in order to be out of recession there has to be two straight months of positive economic growth. If that happened, the stimulus spending hand't even taken place.
GDP rose at an annualized rate of 3.5 percent in the third quarter, somewhat higher than consensus expectations and pulling the four-quarter GDP growth rate up from −3.8 percent to −2.3 percent. The third quarter's increase was driven in large part by a 3.4 percent jump in personal consumption expenditures, the largest quarterly gain in this component since the first quarter of 2007. Durable goods purchases spiked up 22.3 percent, reflecting the impact of the CARS program. Residential investment recovered much of what it had lost in the second quarter, growing 23.3 percent and gaining 7.5 percentage points (pp) in its four-quarter growth rate. The growth in residential investment was the first growth in this component since the fourth quarter of 2005.
Other improvements could be seen in government spending and in the change in private inventories. Business fixed investment saw another quarterly decline, but this quarter’s 2.5 percent drop is small in comparison to last quarter’s 9.6 percent decline. Imports also outpaced exports, detracting from the growth in real GDP, even though exports grew for the first time in five quarters and imports grew for the first time in eight quarters.
So let me see if I have this right, Obama gets passed and signs a 800+ billion stimulus plan and unemployment increased by over 4 million and you claim things could have been worse? How do you know things could have been worse? The country came out of recession in June 2009 so what did the Stimulus plan do to bring the country out of recession since in order to be out of recession there has to be two straight months of positive economic growth. If that happened, the stimulus spending hand't even taken place.
I find it hilarious that somebody else besides bat-**** crazy Michelle Backmann thinks Obama's trip cost $200 million per day. Also, any president must tell the American public approximately how much the trip will cost when it's none of their ****ing business.:lamo
It has been almost a week now since republicans have been elected why haven't things turned around:scared::tink::monkey
Well, for example, there could have been a 5 million increase in unemployment. I don't know, nor am I claiming to know, You claimed to know that it wouldn't be worse, and yet have offered nothing to back that claim. Not one thing. Nada, zip, zilch. I repeat, all I did was point out that your claim that something was unquestionable, was in fact questionable. You have not yet even attempted to argue that fact, and just repeat the same old talking points.
What I provided were actual results, not projections, not opinions, and not talking points. The facts led to what happened last Tuesday and that leaves Obama supporters with nothing but spin.
Yet what you provided in no way proved your claim that I contradicted. You can't just say that something is true and expect every one will believe it if you don't back it up, which you have not done.
Keep diverting, the results show what happened and according to you that no way proves my claim? What exactly is my claim? I claim that there are 4 million more unemployed according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and 3 trillion has been added to the debt since Obama took office according to the U.S. Treasury.
We had an election last Tuesday in case you missed it, 682 Republican legislators took Democrat positions and took control of the House by capturing 60+ additional seats. Those historic numbers tell what the American majority think of the Obama results, results that you ignore.
The results do not compare with what would have happened, which is what you need to make the statement you did.
The results do not compare with what would have happened, which is what you need to make the statement you did.
What would have happened? You have a problem with actual results being posted but no problem making claims as to what would have happened? That is pretty funny and shows how desparate liberal Obama supporters are.
No one knows for sure, but there is a good chance that unemployment would have been higher and GDP would have been lower. This is a definite possibility that proves your comment wrong.
What would you expect a state to do if the Federal Govt. came to the state and offered money to save teacher's jobs?