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Re: Officials: Arrest 'imminent' in Boston bombing case
No, I'm not backing off my claim. When setting out to write a report on the threat of radicalization in the US, the ONLY group that Napolitano's DHS found to be a serious threat were right wing radicals, and backed it up with a lot of very poor arguments. I assume that the poor arguments were actually born of irrational fear only because I will give her the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't purposeful fear mongering for political purposes. At some point you have to just hope these people are stupid and not political miscreants.
Sure it does. You don't make something that ignorant of facts and so twisted in it's conclusions without some underlying flaw.
SHE ISN'T REPORTING ON TRENDS. None of her sources confirmed the trend she was trying is trying to show. This report is simply fear that it MAY happen based on poorly used reports that don't support the claim.
False. Those assertions were vague and gave no hard numbers so they are completely meaningless to the assertion of the paper that right wing radicalism is on the rise. The only concrete evidence of any of their points put forward was the Pittsburgh shooter days before the report was released.
Also, You are wrong, that Napolitano report was not commissioned by Bush, it simply mentioned one FBI study from 2008 that doesn't even support the reports claim. "Some" Veterans of the Iraq war returned to the US and joined Catholic Church... would you then assume that Catholic Church attendance is growing? You may find through in depth study that the Catholic Church attendance is on the rise and you could even conclude with an even more detailed study that the growth is predominantly from Iraq War veterans, but you have to actually conduct the study. Napalitano's claims were utterly groundless and not the product of due diligence. It was a hand waving blathering screed.
No, sorry, that you can't seem to parse the idiocy in that report is not my fault.
No, it's fairly obvious to a lot of people, not just me. This report draws a lot of unjustifiable conclusions from a bunch of sources that didn't support the conclusion. People join Group X... Does that means Group X is growing? No. The assertion hasn't established if those LEAVING Group X are less than those joining, so the conclusion is not justifiable. Unfortunately, that is the extent of the rationale in the DHS document.
1. Ok, so you are backing off your statement that she said specifically "that right wing extremists are the biggest threat to national security." I'm glad to see that, even though you're not actually admitting that you lied.
No, I'm not backing off my claim. When setting out to write a report on the threat of radicalization in the US, the ONLY group that Napolitano's DHS found to be a serious threat were right wing radicals, and backed it up with a lot of very poor arguments. I assume that the poor arguments were actually born of irrational fear only because I will give her the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't purposeful fear mongering for political purposes. At some point you have to just hope these people are stupid and not political miscreants.
2. A single report does not indicate what you are suggesting.
Sure it does. You don't make something that ignorant of facts and so twisted in it's conclusions without some underlying flaw.
3. Just because it focused on illegal immigration, or anything else, again, you can't take that as evidence that she thinks it's a number one priority. You seem to be arguing that instead of reporting on trends, we should stick our head in the sand so you won't be offended. I'm sorry, but you don't have the right to now be offended. And in reality, you shouldn't be offended. The same way that a peaceful Muslim shouldn't be offended if the United States government releases a report saying that a certain group of Muslims may be planning attacks.
SHE ISN'T REPORTING ON TRENDS. None of her sources confirmed the trend she was trying is trying to show. This report is simply fear that it MAY happen based on poorly used reports that don't support the claim.
4. It's driving evidence was not shootings in Pittsburg. It was based off of other studies previously done showing that radical groups were looking to recruit veterans and are playing off of fears.
Extremist Report Draws Criticism; Prompts Apology - NYTimes.com
False. Those assertions were vague and gave no hard numbers so they are completely meaningless to the assertion of the paper that right wing radicalism is on the rise. The only concrete evidence of any of their points put forward was the Pittsburgh shooter days before the report was released.
Also, You are wrong, that Napolitano report was not commissioned by Bush, it simply mentioned one FBI study from 2008 that doesn't even support the reports claim. "Some" Veterans of the Iraq war returned to the US and joined Catholic Church... would you then assume that Catholic Church attendance is growing? You may find through in depth study that the Catholic Church attendance is on the rise and you could even conclude with an even more detailed study that the growth is predominantly from Iraq War veterans, but you have to actually conduct the study. Napalitano's claims were utterly groundless and not the product of due diligence. It was a hand waving blathering screed.
You're being offended by factual information. That's your problem.
No, sorry, that you can't seem to parse the idiocy in that report is not my fault.
5.It's only obvious to you where her fears lie. I think it's pure speculation on your part to take one report that's purpose was just to inform police on possible signs to look for and to twist that into her starting a war against anybody that is right wing.
No, it's fairly obvious to a lot of people, not just me. This report draws a lot of unjustifiable conclusions from a bunch of sources that didn't support the conclusion. People join Group X... Does that means Group X is growing? No. The assertion hasn't established if those LEAVING Group X are less than those joining, so the conclusion is not justifiable. Unfortunately, that is the extent of the rationale in the DHS document.