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America Must Understand Sharia Law is Greater Than the Constitution

Jesse Booth said:
To be fair, you lost me with the library metaphor as well.
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The library is america, books are ideas. Banning one book means you stand against the very concept the foundation was built upon.
 
CMPancake said:
The library is america, books are ideas. Banning one book means you stand against the very concept the foundation was built upon.
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If those ideas are highly combustible, **** em, not gonna risk burning down my library.
 
Harshaw said:
So where does the "libertarian" part to your lean come in?
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Since when does Libertarian mean "Suicidal and/or Stupid"?

When someone or worse, some group, tells you that they believe they are above the law, and also that they plan to take over, enslave, dominate, or kill you... keeping them around is a bad idea!

Now, not ALL Muslims, particularly those born in the U.S. have been going around making threats to use infiltration and subversion to "take over, enslave, dominate, or kill you", but those over at CAIR, when speaking in Arabic, to an Arabic Audience, have been!

Did CAIR founder say Islam to rule America?

It’s a citation used frequently by critics to argue the highly influential Council on American-Islamic Relations is an extremist organization – founder Omar Ahmad’s alleged 1998 assertion that Islam must one day dominate the U.S. – but now Muslim leaders have confronted Ahmad, expressing concern that someone from their community could voice such radical sentiments.

Ahmad told the Muslim leaders – and WND in an interview – the attribution is a “total fabrication” and assured them the newspaper, the Fremont Argus in California, issued a “clarification” after he “challenged” reporter Lisa Gardiner.

That seemed to satisfy the Muslim leaders, but Gardiner told WND she continues to stand by the story, and Editor Steve Waterhouse said he’s confident she got it right. After hearing that news Thursday, one of the Muslim leaders immediately resurrected the issue with his colleagues, declaring Ahmad and CAIR need to find a way “to extinguish this fire.”

“She was a good, solid reporter,” Waterhouse said of Gardiner. “She was absolutely certain about what he said and what she reported.”

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FBI: Muslim Brotherhood deeply rooted inside U.S.

FBI: Muslim Brotherhood deeply rooted inside U.S.
Terror-support group controls most Islamic groups, mosques
Published: 02/21/2011 at 8:22 PM

WASHINGTON – Staff investigators with the House and Senate intelligence committees say they are probing the domestic security threat posed by the radical Muslim Brotherhood and, specifically, whether Brotherhood operatives have penetrated the U.S. government.

The true nature, ambitions and global reach of the Cairo-based Muslim Brotherhood suddenly have become the focus of debate in Washington, following unrest in Egypt and other parts of the Middle East.

As the Muslim Brotherhood threatens to effectively replace Egypt’s secular, pro-Western regime, the tentacles of its worldwide jihadist movement have reached deep into the Muslim community in America. Shockingly, federal court documents reveal that virtually every major Muslim organization in America is a front group for the Brotherhood. They also show that its U.S. network has raised millions of dollars for Hamas, al-Qaida and other terrorist groups.

“The most prominent Islamic organizations in the United States are all controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood,” said FBI veteran John Guandolo, who worked several Brotherhood-related terror cases out of the bureau’s Washington field office as a special agent after 9/11.

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If you can't see, or accept that threat, then perhaps I can bring you some coloring books and playdough?

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Kurmugeon said:
Since when does Libertarian mean "Suicidal and/or Stupid"?

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You avoided the question. Are you okay with the freedom of speech being infringed if it made you feel safer?
 
Kurmugeon said:
Since when does Libertarian mean "Suicidal and/or Stupid"?

When someone or worse, some group, tells you that they believe they are above the law, and also that they plan to take over, enslave, dominate, or kill you... keeping them around is a bad idea!

Now, not ALL Muslims, particularly those born in the U.S. have been going around making threats to use infiltration and subversion to "take over, enslave, dominate, or kill you", but those over at CAIR, when speaking in Arabic, to an Arabic Audience, have been!

Did CAIR founder say Islam to rule America?



FBI: Muslim Brotherhood deeply rooted inside U.S.



If you can't see, or accept that threat, then perhaps I can bring you some coloring books and playdough?

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What I saw was this:

Kurmugeon said:
Tread Carefully imported Muslims, you're very expensive, Not Wanted or Needed by MOST of U.S. ... and one mistake, and you're gone!
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For which no diagrams are necessary; but those of the Venn variety would show no overlap between this and libertarian thought.
 
The OP sounds like BS.

It's not the way CAIR people talk.

Snopes in 3,2,1...
 
volsrock said:
The Director of the Dallas Council on American- Islamic Relations (CAIR), Mustafa Carroll, made a surprising and shocking statement during a Muslim rally in Austin, Texas. He firmly believes that the message of the Qur’an is supreme over the United States constitution.

He said, “If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land.”

Muslim Leader: America Must Understand Sharia Law is Greater Than the Constitution, Therefore Muslims are Above the Law | EndingFed News Network


This is why they can stay in the ME
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This is one guy, not the whole of the Muslim world, and he's free to believe as he likes and express those beliefs. In the end, he will be held to US law the same as anyone else.'

People these days don't seem to understand freedom and often cannot accept the ramifications thereof.
 
RBIII said:
So when the words are put into action, will you denounce it then? I think you can see where he was going with this.
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How are they going to be put "into action"? If he breaks the law, we have a system to arrest him and he'll get his day in court the same as anyone else. Saying or believing you're somehow above the law doesn't make it so. You can't kick out an entire group of people because one dude ran his mouth.
 
Ikari said:
How are they going to be put "into action"? If he breaks the law, we have a system to arrest him and he'll get his day in court the same as anyone else. Saying or believing you're somehow above the law doesn't make it so. You can't kick out an entire group of people because one dude ran his mouth.
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Fearmongers sell fear.
 
CMPancake said:
You avoided the question. Are you okay with the freedom of speech being infringed if it made you feel safer?
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Does freedom of speech cover the right to say "we should kill all X". or do we have to wait till action is done and some X dies? If authorities know someone is going to harm someone, do they wait till the harm is done, or do they take action to stop the harm?

Question. The idea of the Quran is higher than the USA Constitution as stated in the OP is interesting. Is freedom of religion and its practice a higher law than the Constitution, since freedom of religion is in the Constitution? Maybe one can practice whatever religion as long as it does not conflict with the established laws under the Constitution.
 
Ikari said:
How are they going to be put "into action"? If he breaks the law, we have a system to arrest him and he'll get his day in court the same as anyone else. Saying or believing you're somehow above the law doesn't make it so. You can't kick out an entire group of people because one dude ran his mouth.
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The way i see it, you "can" kick out the ones spouting the nonsense. You don't let cancer grow.

Note, not the "entire" group, no one said that.
 
RBIII said:
The way i see it, you "can" kick out the ones spouting the nonsense. You don't let cancer grow.

Note, not the "entire" group, no one said that.
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If we kicked out everyone who was "spouting nonsense" there would be like me and 5 other people left in this country.
 
Ikari said:
How are they going to be put "into action"? If he breaks the law, we have a system to arrest him and he'll get his day in court the same as anyone else. Saying or believing you're somehow above the law doesn't make it so. You can't kick out an entire group of people because one dude ran his mouth.
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Tell that to the friends and family of those thwo died in Orlando, San Bernidino, Boston, Ft. Hood, Twin Towers, Pentagon...

You're dealing with a group who does not mind dying to advance their radical Islamic Cult, so your threats of Legal Actions are a Farse!

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Ikari said:
If we kicked out everyone who was "spouting nonsense" there would be like me and 5 other people left in this country.
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Okay, that "specific" brand of nonsense. Better?
 
mike2810 said:
Does freedom of speech cover the right to say "we should kill all X". or do we have to wait till action is done and some X dies? If authorities know someone is going to harm someone, do they wait till the harm is done, or do they take action to stop the harm?

Question. The idea of the Quran is higher than the USA Constitution as stated in the OP is interesting. Is freedom of religion and its practice a higher law than the Constitution, since freedom of religion is in the Constitution? Maybe one can practice whatever religion as long as it does not conflict with the established laws under the Constitution.
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Answer to question 1: Context matters but "we should kill all X" on it's own would be 1A protected speech since no one would really take it as a serious threat.

Answer to question 2: Freedom of religion and religious law is not higher law that the constitution. The constitution simply protects freedom of religion it does not elevate it above the Constitution.
 
Kurmugeon said:
Tell that to the friends and family of those thwo died in Orlando, San Bernidino, Boston, Ft. Hood, Twin Towers, Pentagon...

You're dealing with a group who does not mind dying to advance their radical Islamic Cult, so your threats of Legal Actions are a Farse!

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Tell that to the families of the OKC bombings, or the victims of our general homicides, or anything else that has some danger to it.

Living in fear is not living. We have a system of laws, if this guy breaks the law he will be held to them the same as anyone else. That's it.

Free isn't safe, free has never been safe, free will never be safe. You want safe, move to China.
 
RBIII said:
Okay, that "specific" brand of nonsense. Better?
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No, because it's called Free Speech. People can run their mouths any way they like. They can say stupid crap all they want too. They cannot act against the rights and liberties of others, but they can certainly say what they'd like.

It's like saying we should kick out the KKK and other hate groups because of what they run around spouting off all the time about.

How are we supposed to maintain our freedom if we allow fear to cloud our judgement and make us lash out against others?
 
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