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Amendment regarding impeachment

Safiel

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Amendment ???

The House of Representatives shall not exercise the power of impeachment without the consent of two thirds of the total membership, duly chosen and sworn.

Very simple. No impeachments without the consent of two thirds of the actual sworn membership, not two thirds of members actually voting. The House is currently at 431 members, meaning 288 members would be required to impeach. If the House was at full strength (435), 290 members would be required.

In United States history, of all impeachments that ended in conviction and removal from office, all but one was from an impeachment with greater than a 2/3rds majority in the House.

Many States have a supermajority requirement for impeachment.

Would be nice to stop partisan impeachments by both parties that have no chance of success.
 
Safiel said:
Amendment ???

The House of Representatives shall not exercise the power of impeachment without the consent of two thirds of the total membership, duly chosen and sworn.

Very simple. No impeachments without the consent of two thirds of the actual sworn membership, not two thirds of members actually voting. The House is currently at 431 members, meaning 288 members would be required to impeach. If the House was at full strength (435), 290 members would be required.

In United States history, of all impeachments that ended in conviction and removal from office, all but one was from an impeachment with greater than a 2/3rds majority in the House.

Many States have a supermajority requirement for impeachment.

Would be nice to stop partisan impeachments by both parties that have no chance of success.
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The Mayorkas impeachment was childish retaliation for the justified impeachments of tRump.
 
Safiel said:
Amendment ???

The House of Representatives shall not exercise the power of impeachment without the consent of two thirds of the total membership, duly chosen and sworn.

Very simple. No impeachments without the consent of two thirds of the actual sworn membership, not two thirds of members actually voting. The House is currently at 431 members, meaning 288 members would be required to impeach. If the House was at full strength (435), 290 members would be required.

In United States history, of all impeachments that ended in conviction and removal from office, all but one was from an impeachment with greater than a 2/3rds majority in the House.

Many States have a supermajority requirement for impeachment.

Would be nice to stop partisan impeachments by both parties that have no chance of success.
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Why bother since it takes 2/3 of the Senate to convict ?
 
Safiel said:
Amendment ???
The House of Representatives shall not exercise the power of impeachment without the consent of two thirds of the total membership, duly chosen and sworn.
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Democrats weaponized impeachment; this may be the only thing which will prevent them from its continued use.
Unfortunately the resolution will never make it out of congress to the states.



 
Safiel said:
Amendment ???

The House of Representatives shall not exercise the power of impeachment without the consent of two thirds of the total membership, duly chosen and sworn.

Very simple. No impeachments without the consent of two thirds of the actual sworn membership, not two thirds of members actually voting. The House is currently at 431 members, meaning 288 members would be required to impeach. If the House was at full strength (435), 290 members would be required.

In United States history, of all impeachments that ended in conviction and removal from office, all but one was from an impeachment with greater than a 2/3rds majority in the House.

Many States have a supermajority requirement for impeachment.

Would be nice to stop partisan impeachments by both parties that have no chance of success.
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Mhh considering how many congresscritters skip out and not even attend to avoid voting. One party could just skip out to prevent any hearings.
 
Bullseye said:
Not really -
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Yes, really.
Democrats issued subpoenas.
Trump claimed EP.
Democrats whined and cried - and instead of trying to break his claim of EP in court, they impeached him.
 
Mungo Jerry said:
Democrats weaponized impeachment; this may be the only thing which will prevent them from its continued use.
Unfortunately the resolution will never make it out of congress to the states.
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And what do you call the Republican's impeachment of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas by a single vote ?

Or the attempt to impeach President Biden

If any government processes are being "weaponized", it was by Trump
Trump directed then AG William Barr to investigate the 2020 election - specifically in two states where he narrowly lost - not in any states where he won for some reason
Trump also fired government officials that didn't support him politically

"...according to four sources close to the White House, Trump is discussing ways to escalate his Twitter attacks on Amazon to further damage the company. “He’s off the hook on this. It’s war,” one source told me. “He gets obsessed with something, and now he’s obsessed with Bezos,” said another source. “Trump is like, how can I **** with him?”
www.vanityfair.com

“How Can I F--k with Him?”: Trump’s War with Amazon Gets Personal

With the West Wing finally calm, Trump is contemplating a multi-front campaign against Jeff Bezos.
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com

From the get-go Trump wanted to use the government apparatus to "get even" with certain individuals
Donald Trump was a disgrace as president.
 
Mungo Jerry said:
Yes, really.
Democrats issued subpoenas.
Trump claimed EP.
Democrats whined and cried - and instead of trying to break his claim of EP in court, they impeached him.
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Yeah, I do think that's exactly how it went. Dems desperately tried anything they could and failed miserably. Dems made some shit up, Sent it to the Senate; which said "This all you got?"
 
Safiel said:
Amendment ???

The House of Representatives shall not exercise the power of impeachment without the consent of two thirds of the total membership, duly chosen and sworn.

Very simple. No impeachments without the consent of two thirds of the actual sworn membership, not two thirds of members actually voting. The House is currently at 431 members, meaning 288 members would be required to impeach. If the House was at full strength (435), 290 members would be required.

In United States history, of all impeachments that ended in conviction and removal from office, all but one was from an impeachment with greater than a 2/3rds majority in the House.

Many States have a supermajority requirement for impeachment.

Would be nice to stop partisan impeachments by both parties that have no chance of success.
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Solution in search of a problem. Hasn't been an issue until this House. Reflect on their ability to govern in context of their impeachment actions.
 
Rich2018 said:
And what do you call the Republican's impeachment of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas by a single vote ?

Or the attempt to impeach President Biden

If any government processes are being "weaponized", it was by Trump
Trump directed then AG William Barr to investigate the 2020 election - specifically in two states where he narrowly lost - not in any states where he won for some reason
Trump also fired government officials that didn't support him politically

"...according to four sources close to the White House, Trump is discussing ways to escalate his Twitter attacks on Amazon to further damage the company. “He’s off the hook on this. It’s war,” one source told me. “He gets obsessed with something, and now he’s obsessed with Bezos,” said another source. “Trump is like, how can I **** with him?”
www.vanityfair.com

“How Can I F--k with Him?”: Trump’s War with Amazon Gets Personal

With the West Wing finally calm, Trump is contemplating a multi-front campaign against Jeff Bezos.
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com

From the get-go Trump wanted to use the government apparatus to "get even" with certain individuals
Donald Trump was a disgrace as president.
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"And what do you call the Republican's impeachment of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas by a single vote ?"

Too little and quite possibly too late.

Thanks.
 
Rich2018 said:
And what do you call the Republican's impeachment of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas by a single vote ?

Or the attempt to impeach President Biden

If any government processes are being "weaponized", it was by Trump
Trump directed then AG William Barr to investigate the 2020 election - specifically in two states where he narrowly lost - not in any states where he won for some reason
Trump also fired government officials that didn't support him politically

"...according to four sources close to the White House, Trump is discussing ways to escalate his Twitter attacks on Amazon to further damage the company. “He’s off the hook on this. It’s war,” one source told me. “He gets obsessed with something, and now he’s obsessed with Bezos,” said another source. “Trump is like, how can I **** with him?”
www.vanityfair.com

“How Can I F--k with Him?”: Trump’s War with Amazon Gets Personal

With the West Wing finally calm, Trump is contemplating a multi-front campaign against Jeff Bezos.
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com

From the get-go Trump wanted to use the government apparatus to "get even" with certain individuals
Donald Trump was a disgrace as president.
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As for weaponization,
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"If any government processes are being "weaponized", it was by Trump"

Incorrect.

Authoritarians do not allow their daily eviceration by a corrupt media. A leader meets them publicly and calls out their untruths to their face.

Like this:


Real authoritarians weaponize the agencies under their control to clamp down on investigators exposing their malfeasance.

Like this:
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fox-ne...ored-by-obama-administration-court-documents/

or big tech in conjunction with government direction.

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Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey on Tuesday acknowledged that the platform was “wrong” to block a New York Post report about Hunter Biden last month.

During a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing regarding “censorship, suppression and the 2020 elections,” Dorsey and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg were asked about their companies’ decision to suppress a New York Post story about a laptop and emails reportedly belonging to Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden. Twitter had blocked the sharing of the article both publicly and in private direct messages, while Facebook limited distribution of the article but did not completely block it.

“That to me seems like you’re the ultimate editor,” committee chairman Senator Lindsey Graham (R.,S.C.) said. “The editorial decision by the New York Post to run the story was overridden by Twitter and Facebook in different fashions to prevent its dissemination. Now if that’s not making an editorial decision I don’t know what would be.”


Dorsey responded in his opening remarks, explaining that the platform made the decision to block the story in accordance with a 2018 policy against sharing hacked materials.

“We made a quick interpretation using no other evidence that the materials in the article were obtained through hacking, and according to our policy, we blocked them from being spread,” Dorsey testified. “Upon further consideration, we admitted this action was wrong and corrected it within 24 hours.”

or
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Theres dozens more but you should get the point of what actual weaponization of government and non government agencies to do what neither could legally do looks like by now.

Thanks
 
Rich2018 said:
Why bother since it takes 2/3 of the Senate to convict ?
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So that the House GOP can go back to their voters and point out that they tried but the evil liberals thwarted them.

It’s an incredibly cynical vote grabbing ploy on their own voters since they already knew well ahead of time the actual outcome of it.

But the sad thing…as it always is…the ploy works on those who are undereducated or simply and honestly believe there was an actual chance of it happening…

I sometimes feel bad for them; they should have a better class of folks representing them. There are non-MAGA conservatives that could fill that void for them if only they would allow it.

There are conservatives out there who could be the loyal opposition instead of the destroy America MAGA-mite traitors.
 
Jason Warfield said:
So that the House GOP can go back to their voters and point out that they tried but the evil liberals thwarted them.
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MGT tried to impeach President Biden on her first day....but she was thwarted by those pesky liberals....

Jason Warfield said:
It’s an incredibly cynical vote grabbing ploy on their own voters since they already knew well ahead of time the actual outcome of it.
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Like MTG's entire political career, everything is just for show
The Republicans have long ceased to be a party of government and instead have become a party of protest.

Jason Warfield said:
I sometimes feel bad for them; they should have a better class of folks representing them. There are non-MAGA conservatives that could fill that void for them if only they would allow it.
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I bet that feeling doesn't last very long :)

Jason Warfield said:
There are conservatives out there who could be the loyal opposition instead of the destroy America MAGA-mite traitors.
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You'd be hard pressed to define what a true conservative believes in these days.
 
What happen to the House Impeachment inquiry? It rather went like a fire cracker in the rain.
 
Rich2018 said:
Why bother since it takes 2/3 of the Senate to convict ?
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But we STILL have to waste at least some of the Senate's time on an impeachment that has zero chance of conviction.

I opposed ALL the political impeachments, including those of Clinton, Trump and Mayorkas and don't care which side is doing it.

It is just a dog and pony show.

Republicans can exhibit their evidence to the public, whether or not a Senate trial is held.

A 2/3rds threshold on the House side would limit impeachments to those which can garner at least some bipartisan support.
 
Safiel said:
But we STILL have to waste at least some of the Senate's time on an impeachment that has zero chance of conviction.
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If senators voted according to the evidence, it would not be zero chance
As it is, they must vote on party lines - particularly Republicans who are scared of the repercussions of not voting the way they're told to.

Safiel said:
I opposed ALL the political impeachments, including those of Clinton, Trump and Mayorkas and don't care which side is doing it.
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Trump was not the victim of political impeachments
Republican senators had the opportunity to get rid of Trump, a man not fit to hold public office
I grant you that recent attempts to impeach President Biden were 100% politically motivated.

Safiel said:
It is just a dog and pony show
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Or rather the House is with Republicans running it - you have only to witness the farce of the Speakership this year
And the worst is MTG who just acts for show and to get attention.

Safiel said:
Republicans can exhibit their evidence to the public, whether or not a Senate trial is held.
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They have, indeed they do every day - and it's a big, fat zero.

Safiel said:
A 2/3rds threshold on the House side would limit impeachments to those which can garner at least some bipartisan support.
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A much better way would be to have a secret ballot in Senate impeachment trials.
 
Mungo Jerry said:
Democrats weaponized impeachment; this may be the only thing which will prevent them from its continued use.
Unfortunately the resolution will never make it out of congress to the states.
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This is not true.

This is a lie being told by Faux.

Trump was guilty and deserved to be impeached.

Mayorkas did not do anything that meets the standards for impeachment.

Stop defending GQP corruption.
 
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