Activists Brace for Failure at COP21

[LowDown]

As the upcoming Paris COP21 climate conference hurtles towards an inevitable train wreck of green disappointments, climate activists are already starting to prepare the faithful, for the bitter upsets they are likely to suffer over the next few weeks.

Yup. China and other Asian countries are burning coal at increasing rates. Billions of poor people cry out for improvement in their way of living, and that requires cheap energy. China and developing countries will not be denied.

80% reduction in carbon emissions? It ain't happening.

China and India say "You burned carbon fuels to get where you are. Now it's our turn."

You all are just going to have to hope that the predictions of catastrophic global warming are wrong. And most likely they are.

Climate Activists Bracing for Failure at Paris | Watts Up With That?

 

[OrphanSlug]

The whole conference is a colossal waste of time (and energy expended to shuffle all these elites running around claiming to know best how we should live.) The only solution they ever come up with is taxation based going so far as to demand from the US funds to other nations that are still in the middle of "now it's our turn." So once India and China refuse to cooperate, the solution is to punish the US for "their turn" and hold others less responsible. The whole affair reeks of lazy liberalism that borderlines on economic crashing solutions that end up punishing the most vulnerable so long as they are in a nation (the US) that "deserves to be taxed." So the conference's wants is that the US gets higher energy costs, taxes on products and services, and other forms of energy usage coercion tactics while they and others get benefit and exclusion while going through "their turn."

 

[Shadowless]

Climate change is very, very real. We already see the effects. Global capitalism will not do the job, we need a massive tax on carbon, world wide.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Climate change is very, very real. We already see the effects. Global capitalism will not do the job, we need a massive tax on carbon, world wide.

Thanks for the out in left field imaginary dream world and typical rhetoric, now come up with something plausible that ends up equally applied to all nations in a manner that is actually enforceable and addresses the problem.

Good luck...

 

[Shadowless]

Thanks for the out in left field imaginary dream world and typical rhetoric, now come up with something plausible that ends up equally applied to all nations in a manner that is actually enforceable and addresses the problem.

Good luck...

A carbon tax is VERY reasonable.

 

[flogger]

Climate change is very, very real. We already see the effects. Global capitalism will not do the job, we need a massive tax on carbon, world wide.

BS . Cutting our economic throats in the present in order to staunch some imagined future nosebleed is ludicrous.

Whatever climate change happens having the wealth and resources to adapt to that change is vital.

AGW alarmists keep trying their hardest to deny us either

 

[Shadowless]

BS . Cutting our economic throats in the present in order to staunch some imagined future nosebleed is ludicrous.

Whatever climate change happens having the wealth and resources to adapt to that change is vital.

AGW alarmists keep trying their hardest to deny us either

No, it is not economic suicide as you put it. Solar works very, very well. It's taking off in the US and Germany, let's switch. It can and should be done. Solar is actually cheaper than fossil fuel.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

A carbon tax is VERY reasonable.

How is taxing people to death and driving up the cost of EVERYTHING going to lower global temperatures?

 

[flogger]

A carbon tax is VERY reasonable.

Good luck explaining that to China and India :lol:

 

[Shadowless]

How is taxing people to death and driving up the cost of EVERYTHING going to lower global temperatures?

By using less carbon. Solar energy is cheaper.

 

[Shadowless]

Good luck explaining that to China and India :lol:

Haha, I don't care if they don't want to hear it, it needs to be done. If they don't want to, let them poison their people. The US can switch to solar, which is much cheaper.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

By using less carbon. Solar energy is cheaper.

Using less carbon very likely will do nothing.

People who believe that the Earth's climate can be controlled like the thermostat in your house are exceptionally naive.

 

[Shadowless]

Using less carbon very likely will do nothing.

People who believe that the Earth's climate can be controlled like the thermostat in your house are exceptionally naive.

Using less carbon is what all scientists say will reduce global temperature. It is a fact. We can use solar, it is much, much cheaper and makes more business sense.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Using less carbon is what all scientists say will reduce global temperature. It is a fact. We can use solar, it is much, much cheaper and makes more business sense.

Woah woah woah woah hold up.

If solar made business sense, then it would be BOOMING IN THE U.S. AND REPLACING CARBON WITHOUT ANY LEGISLATION REQUIRED.

 

[Shadowless]

Woah woah woah woah hold up.

If solar made business sense, then it would be BOOMING IN THE U.S. AND REPLACING CARBON WITHOUT ANY LEGISLATION REQUIRED.

Solar is booming out here in the west. It's difficult to overcome the fossil fuel industry which has been subsidized by Congress for more than 50 years. We subsidize oil and natural gas with billions of dollars.

 

[flogger]

No, it is not economic suicide as you put it. Solar works very, very well. It's taking off in the US and Germany, let's switch. It can and should be done. Solar is actually cheaper than fossil fuel.

Nonsense

Actually Germany has been forced into the biggest fossil fuel power plant building programme since WW2 because after 500 Billion Euros spent on the green idealism of renewables they have had to concede it doesn't work and has trebled their energy prices due to the massive taxpayer subsidies they recieve.

The US has hugely invested in much cheaper gas fracking technologies and the economic dividends of that have been 30% reduction in energy prices across the board. This resource has the potential to last for more than a century

 

[Lord of Planar]

A carbon tax is VERY reasonable.

Tell that to China.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Using less carbon is what all scientists say will reduce global temperature. It is a fact. We can use solar, it is much, much cheaper and makes more business sense.

The reduction is minor compared to natural changes.

I'm OK with China producing CO2. Just not the aerosols they our emitting also.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Woah woah woah woah hold up.

If solar made business sense, then it would be BOOMING IN THE U.S. AND REPLACING CARBON WITHOUT ANY LEGISLATION REQUIRED.

Spot on true.

 

[flogger]

Haha, I don't care if they don't want to hear it, it needs to be done. If they don't want to, let them poison their people. The US can switch to solar, which is much cheaper.

CO2 is not poison its a benign beneficial naturally occurring gas thats part of your own breathing cycle :roll:

 

[Jack Fabulous]

Using less carbon is what all scientists say will reduce global temperature. It is a fact. We can use solar, it is much, much cheaper and makes more business sense.

So I can stop buying gas and fill my car up with solar?

Cool.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Solar is booming out here in the west. It's difficult to overcome the fossil fuel industry which has been subsidized by Congress for more than 50 years. We subsidize oil and natural gas with billions of dollars.

Dont give me subsidization bull****.

The feds have also put billioons into solar technology, and even then, solar creates not even 1% of the energy that America consumes.

You have nothing to prove that it is business smart, you simply said that out of nowhere. Try again, but I probably wont take you seriously at all in the near future.

 

[dimensionallava]

what happened to clean coal? lol

global coal usage is at the lowest its been in a long time, in china specifically its the lowest since 1999, which is ironically a problem for america's economy because the US has the worlds largest coal reserves 1/4th of the worlds supply

the growth in world coal demand was the slowest since 1999. China’s coal consumption, which accounts for just over ~50% of world demand, rose by 0.1% to 1.96Btoe last year.

Global coal demand is slowing fast - Business Insider

 

[flogger]

what happened to clean coal? lol

global coal usage is at the lowest its been in a long time, in china specifically its the lowest since 1999, which is ironically a problem for america's economy because the US has the worlds largest coal reserves 1/4th of the worlds supply

Global coal demand is slowing fast - Business Insider

Perhaps you should get yourself up to date because here is what China has actually been doing

China Is Spewing Out Much More Pollution Than We Ever Imagined | Mother Jones

 

[Reformedfindlay]

what happened to clean coal? lol

global coal usage is at the lowest its been in a long time, in china specifically its the lowest since 1999, which is ironically a problem for america's economy because the US has the worlds largest coal reserves 1/4th of the worlds supply

Global coal demand is slowing fast - Business Insider

Thanks bro, this is all the more reason why we should oppose this green bull**** movement.