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A quote that Mitt Romney might wish he could take back

Civilized humans choose not to live by the laws of the jungle.
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Yes, we do, but survival of the fittest has a different ruleset today. People can ignore that if they want, but they shouldnt then be supported by anyone else if they are capable of being something better and chose not to be. No one ever said capitalism and freedom is pretty but if you dont work at it, you dont get anything from it.
 
You're all missing the point of this quote from Obama... This wasn't a battle between Romney and Obama, this is Obama trying to steal Al Gore's thunder, stressing government research created the internet, not him...
 
Thunder said:
do you have any evidence for this conspiracy theory, that Obama is controlled by George Soros?
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how much has soros contributed to his campaign? Are you aware of how much money Soros made on the Petrobas deal where obama loaned money to the brazilian company? are you aware that soros bought a large share of Petrobas stock just before the loan and then sold it at a huge profit? All at the same time that obozo will not allow drilling in US waters.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
You're all missing the point of this quote from Obama... This wasn't a battle between Romney and Obama, this is Obama trying to steal Al Gore's thunder, stressing government research created the internet, not him...
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The prophet Algore will not be pleased. He has massage bills to pay.
 
Bobcat said:
how much has soros contributed to his campaign? Are you aware of how much money Soros made on the Petrobas deal where obama loaned money to the brazilian company? are you aware that soros bought a large share of Petrobas stock just before the loan and then sold it at a huge profit? All at the same time that obozo will not allow drilling in US waters.
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* George Soros. The Hungarian-born billionaire was ranked fourth on the last Forbes list of the world’s wealthiest people. He was a major donor to the Democratic third-party group ACT in 2004, which raised $137 million for field operations for the Democratic ticket that year to go against the vaunted George W. Bush field machine. A few years later, Soros joined the progressive group Democracy Alliance, a patchwork of groups focused on progressive politics and causes.
But despite those activities, Soros has opted not to give to Priorities. Soros has given $1 million apiece to two groups associated with Democracy Alliance — and that’s it. He remains a symbol of liberal giving for Republicans, yet Adelson on the right is en route to eclipsing him this cycle.


Read more: The left?s lost donors - Maggie Haberman and Emily Schultheis - POLITICO.com
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In fact many wealthy donors on the right have contributed more than Soros this cycle. Next.
 
Bobcat said:
how much has soros contributed to his campaign? Are you aware of how much money Soros made on the Petrobas deal where obama loaned money to the brazilian company? are you aware that soros bought a large share of Petrobas stock just before the loan and then sold it at a huge profit? All at the same time that obozo will not allow drilling in US waters.
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So far in this year's campaign, Soros has contributed approximately one tenth of the $2.5 million he gave in 2008. In comparison, Sheldon Adelson alone has put more than $25 million into Republican coffers, never mind the Koch brothers and other billionaire contributors on the right.

Are you aware that believing anything Glenn Beck says is not rational behaviour?

from the ever liberal media outlet, FORBES, March 2011
Dispelling the Brazil Oil Loan Myth

Beck doesn’t like Soros. And Soros likes Petrobras. And maybe Obama. The takeaway? Obama is helping Petrobras shareholders, like Soros, by giving them a loan at the same time he is (was) banning drilling in the Gulf of Mexico because of the BP Plc oil spill.

Here’s what is really going on with that $2 billion loan. ... The Export Import Bank is a government run bank. It made a preliminary commitment to offer Petrobras $2 billion in April 2009. ... What’s become of that $2 billion? On February 4, 2010, the Bank entered into a medium-term credit guarantee facility with Petrobras for $308 million. That means if Petrobras wants, it can go to a bank — in this case it is JP Morgan — and take out a loan for $308 million to buy goods and services from US companies. The Export Import Bank then would guarantee that loan from default, which in turn makes JP Morgan happy because it will not lose money and will make interest on the loan; make Petrobras happy because the loan guarantee means low interest rates on the loan; and it makes the Export Import Bank happy because they can collect fees (undisclosed) and provide a boost to the companies in the US in which Petrobras will do business.
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and that bit about Soros profiting greatly from his "insider knowledge", George may have made some money but Forbes notes that he's not even in the top 15 investors in Petrobras

and a little fact sheet about the "loan" which wasn't really a loan but a loan guarantee as noted in the Forbes piece plus the little bit at the end of the following headline
Facts About Ex-Im Bank Loans To Support Petrobras's Purchases of Goods and Services Made by American Workers
United States equipment and services for the petroleum industry are sought after by the world's leading companies because of their quality and reliability. To help U.S. companies win contracts in this industry, Ex-Im Bank is able to provide financing to a potential foreign customer. This financing is solely and exclusively for the purchase of U.S. goods or services and its use is contingent upon this requirement.
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Don't you just luv those who respect the President? "obozo will not allow drilling in US waters" particularly when they don't have a clue
Deepwater Oil Drilling Picks Up Again as BP Disaster Fades
 
Somerville said:
So far in this year's campaign, Soros has contributed approximately one tenth of the $2.5 million he gave in 2008. In comparison, Sheldon Adelson alone has put more than $25 million into Republican coffers, never mind the Koch brothers and other billionaire contributors on the right....
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and this Sheldon Adelson is a total scumbag, looking to scare people into voting against Obama....by playing ethnic politics.
 
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Somerville said:
So far in this year's campaign, Soros has contributed approximately one tenth of the $2.5 million he gave in 2008. In comparison, Sheldon Adelson alone has put more than $25 million into Republican coffers, never mind the Koch brothers and other billionaire contributors on the right.

Are you aware that believing anything Glenn Beck says is not rational behaviour?

from the ever liberal media outlet, FORBES, March 2011
and that bit about Soros profiting greatly from his "insider knowledge", George may have made some money but Forbes notes that he's not even in the top 15 investors in Petrobras

and a little fact sheet about the "loan" which wasn't really a loan but a loan guarantee as noted in the Forbes piece plus the little bit at the end of the following headline
Facts About Ex-Im Bank Loans To Support Petrobras's Purchases of Goods and Services Made by American Workers

Don't you just luv those who respect the President? "obozo will not allow drilling in US waters" particularly when they don't have a clue
Deepwater Oil Drilling Picks Up Again as BP Disaster Fades
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I live near the gulf, drilling is at a virtual standstill, Oil field support industries are laying off and shutting down. you can believe the left wing media reports if you wish, but the reality can be seen here every day. The only places that drilling has picked up is on private lands. You really need to stop believing what the NY times puts out, its mostly garbage and is the reason that once-great paper is going broke.
 
Thunder said:
and this Sheldon Adelson is a total scumbag, looking to scare people into voting against Obama....by playing ethnic politics.
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both sides are trying to scare voters, thats how it works, always has, always will.
 
Bobcat said:
I live near the gulf, drilling is at a virtual standstill, Oil field support industries are laying off and shutting down. you can believe the left wing media reports if you wish, but the reality can be seen here every day. The only places that drilling has picked up is on private lands. You really need to stop believing what the NY times puts out, its mostly garbage and is the reason that once-great paper is going broke.
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You think your anecdotal nonsense is more convincing than actual drilling permits?
 
AdamT said:
You think your anecdotal nonsense is more convincing than actual drilling permits?
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Saying that there are x drilling permits, leaves out if they are on public or private land. But you like to leave out details that go against the falsehoods you push.
 
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Actually I'm talking about drilling permits IN THE GULF, which is not private land.
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Facts? Links? Video's of actual new drilling sights that are using those permits?
 
Bobcat said:
I live near the gulf, drilling is at a virtual standstill, Oil field support industries are laying off and shutting down. you can believe the left wing media reports if you wish, but the reality can be seen here every day. The only places that drilling has picked up is on private lands. You really need to stop believing what the NY times puts out, its mostly garbage and is the reason that once-great paper is going broke.
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trusting Glenn Beck over the New York Times, is a poor choice.
 
Bobcat said:
both sides are trying to scare voters, thats how it works, always has, always will.
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meanwhile Adelson has given $25 million to GOPers, while Soros has given $250,000 to Obama.

if anything, Adelson should be registered as a client of a foreign entity.
 
Thunder said:
trusting Glenn Beck over the New York Times, is a poor choice.
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id trust an Archies comic book over the yellow journalism of the NY Slimes..
 
Arbo said:
And you believe that means there is new drilling, and all is good down there. Because paper was 'approved'. Sad.
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It may be true that because a permit is issued, no drilling is attempted, however the permit does mean that no other company can drill in the permitted lease. So what you have in some instances are oil companies controlling potential oil reserves and preventing the exploitation of the reserves by other interested parties. Once the permit is issued the government can only stop the drilling when the driller fails to observe the safety standards.

In other words, you continue to quibble over "semantics"

I have a friend who is first officer on a deep water drilling ship, they have three separate sites to drill in the Gulf and will begin operations as soon as they are cleared by the USCG. The ship has been operating in the Far East for the past four years and needs to be checked for updated compliance on equipment and crew training. As of this past week, their first exploratory drill should be in early September - tropical storms could delay this but they don't expect to have any problems with the USCG inspection.
 
AdamT said:
Edited post above, but twice is nice: Status of Gulf of Mexico Well Permits | BSEE

It appears that over 90% of Gulf permits that have been submitted since the Gulf spill have so far been approved.
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getting the permit is just the first step. there are tons of EPA forms, OSHA forms, inspections, licenses. All of which have to go through some govt beaurocracy. Actual drilling is slowing starting to come back, but the obama admin has done everything in its power to delay and derail.

Obama clearly is devoted to unproven and very expensive alternative energy rather than use the plentiful oil, gas, and coal that we have in this country.

We should be looking at all alternatives, but not at the expense of further destruction of our economy.

Travel to Houma, La or Port Fouchon and you will see the idle oil equipment and the closed businesses. anyone who says that gulf drilling is back has not taken the time to look.
 
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It may be true that because a permit is issued, no drilling is attempted, however
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Man, talk about semantics. The claim is that drilling has increased. It has yet to be show that this is due to drilling on public lands rather than private property. Of course, it will never be shown to be the case, as it is not true.

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anyone who says that gulf drilling is back has not taken the time to look.
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Or is merely a partisan hack.
 
Wow... pointless semantical arguments have distorted yet another discussion on DP...

Regarding the Soros $250K dollar contribution to Obama's campaign... that's the maximum amount allowed by an individual by campaign rules... but do you honestly think that's all the money that Soros has given? Hell, Bill Maher gave $1M, remember? They just have to divide it up among different candidates running in the different states, so Obama can show up at a joint campaign rally for both of em, or it's given to the party as a whole, or to the PACs, etc. ... So saying Soros only gave $250K to Obama (this time around), and Adelson gave millions to "Republican coffers" is being highly disingenuous and distorting the picture greatly... Because if you want you can add names as such to either side... Both candidates get enough money to take a sizeable chunk out of the federal debt, but instead it's wasted on pointless smear tactics during campaigns... The thing that makes the Soros, Rezko, etc. thing stand out, though, is their blatant trail of corruption...


Regarding drilling in the gulf... This is such a distraction from the real issue... Saying drilling permits have been approved in the gulf doesn't get to the real point of oil for this election... A few more barrels here or there in the gulf isn't what would drop fuel prices enough over time... It's drilling in Alaska, and the Keystone Pipeline that is what would make the sizeable difference in gas prices... Furthermore, the use of fracking has been outlawed on public lands during this administration is heavily against it... Under Romney the sale of unused public lands in remote locations where oil shale has been found to private developers would not only help pay down the debt, but oil shale can produce vast more quantities of gasoline and oil than the standard crude oil that is pumped, which would flood the market with a cheaper more efficient fuel source until we can become less reliant on fossil fuels, or a more efficient and economical alternative is created... This argument about oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico is a drop in the hat...

We need a drastic change to the way the government treats the creation of energy, and the dire situation that high fuel prices is having on individuals and business... Obama has been on record on a number of occasions saying he wants fuel prices to go up, so we are forced to change to green technologies... Romney knows how cripling the fuel cost can be on businesses and people commuting to and from work or errands and wants to get those prices as low as possible... We can't afford to be chosey at this point... Turning our noses up to oil, coal, and nuclear sources of energy is not wise for the overall status of the economy right now...
 
Bobcat said:
getting the permit is just the first step. there are tons of EPA forms, OSHA forms, inspections, licenses. All of which have to go through some govt beaurocracy. Actual drilling is slowing starting to come back, but the obama admin has done everything in its power to delay and derail.
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And I assume that we're supposed to believe you, based on nothing? I'm sure your view isn't in any way influenced by your confessed hatred of Obama. :roll:

If Obama was doing everything in its power to delay and derail, it wouldn't be approving the permits.
 
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