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Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response? [W:377]

Did FDR get it right?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 8.4%

  • No

    Votes: 84 88.4%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 3 3.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    95
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

Abbazorkzog said:
I'm sorry, but I think WWII wouldn't have been necessary if Wall Street hadn't funded the friggen Nazis in the first place!
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Bush 1 had a role in that..
 
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Citizen.Seven said:
The atomic bombs, in addition to saving many American lives, were justifiable retaliation against the nation of Japan. Internment of American citizens because of ancestory was bigoted nonsense, and was more likely to cause the very thing it wanted to prevent (i.e. animosity from a persecuted minority who were told by the USFG that they weren't real Americans, and did not have their rights recognized). After internments happened, it's somewhat surprising that a fifth column didn't happen to some degree.
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To add to my previous post, the atomic bombing wouldn't have happened if the morons of our so-called US government hadn't been racist, xenophobic fascists themselves - ie; Japanese-American concentration camps.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
You call it a victory getting to that point? A phyrric victory at best. But when those are your two options, it is not outrageous to say one '****ed up'...

You can get all technical with the tactical and strategic merit imposed, but it doesn't change the fact that the Pacific, hell, the whole war itself, was one massive **** up.
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So we shouldn't have gone to war with ****ing Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?
 
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Bernie loves the guy that concentrated the Japanese!!
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

Abbazorkzog said:
I'm sorry, but I think WWII wouldn't have been necessary if Wall Street hadn't funded the friggen Nazis in the first place!
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What? You can't possibly believe that. The German economy under the Third Reich, in the peacetime years, can be best described as a hybrid autarky which nearly collapsed for want of basic resources and funds, something which they were only saved from due to the outbreak of the war and the pillage which it brought. Furthermore even if it were somehow true it would have nothing to do with Japan which began its conquest of China, and eventually the Pacific Rim, in total separation from Germany. Additionally even if we granted that point it also wouldn't change the calculus that the Allies faced when they approached the Japanese Home Islands.
 
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Orly? said:
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The Japanese-American internment wasn't some mastermind-plot that FDR was the sole perpetrator of, either. I'm fairly certain the FBI was the main vessel through which it unfolded.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
So we shouldn't have gone to war with ****ing Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?
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We were right to nuke them.. And intern them..
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
I'm sorry, but I think WWII wouldn't have been necessary if Wall Street hadn't funded the friggen Nazis in the first place!
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Of course, it still would have happened. After all, there was another aggressive lunatic still around even without the Nazis.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
To add to my previous post, the atomic bombing wouldn't have happened if the morons of our so-called US government hadn't been racist, xenophobic fascists themselves - ie; Japanese-American concentration camps.
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Why? The US nuclear weapons project was originally designed as a measure to be used against Nazi Germany, not Japan. Explain your reasoning please.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Have you ever taken a look---a serious look--- at the projected casualties for Operation Downfall?

Hell by dropping the atomic bombs thousands of lives were saved in the end
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The question would be whether the operation was really necessary. It is a big unknown. I suspect Japan would have surrendered without needing to invade(they where not entirely opposed to surrender for sure), but that is speculation at best.

Some one, I forget who, recommended a book on the topic I have not had a chance to get yet, but I will pass along the source in case any one else wants to read it: Hell to Pay: Operation Downfall and the Invasion of Japan, 1945-1947: D. M. Giangreco: 9781591143161: Amazon.com: Books It is on my list to read, probably not till after I get moved though.
 
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Orly? said:
We were right to nuke them.. And intern them..
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If there were massive Japanese spy armies like you seem to think, how do you explain the 442nd Regiment?
 
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Redress said:
The question would be whether the operation was really necessary. It is a big unknown. I suspect Japan would have surrendered without needing to invade(they where not entirely opposed to surrender for sure), but that is speculation at best.

Some one, I forget who, recommended a book on the topic I have not had a chance to get yet, but I will pass along the source in case any one else wants to read it: Hell to Pay: Operation Downfall and the Invasion of Japan, 1945-1947: D. M. Giangreco: 9781591143161: Amazon.com: Books It is on my list to read, probably not till after I get moved though.
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These were the same guys who wanted to fight on after getting nuked twice.

Bluffs don't work when your facing a group of lunatics.
 
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Citizen.Seven said:
The atomic bombs, in addition to saving many American lives, were justifiable retaliation against the nation of Japan. Internment of American citizens because of ancestory was bigoted nonsense, and was more likely to cause the very thing it wanted to prevent (i.e. animosity from a persecuted minority who were told by the USFG that they weren't real Americans, and did not have their rights recognized). After internments happened, it's somewhat surprising that a fifth column didn't happen to some degree.
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So you consider killing civilians a justifiable response to attacking a country?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
If there were massive Japanese spy armies like you seem to think, how do you explain the 442nd Regiment?
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There very well may have been.. But we fixed em and fixed em good...
 
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Tigerace117 said:
These were the same guys who wanted to fight on after getting nuked twice.

Bluffs don't work when your facing a group of lunatics.
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Didn't we even find many tens of years later on islands that still wanted to fight?
 
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Orly? said:
There very well may have been.. But we fixed em and fixed em good...
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We fixed the imaginary spies real good I bet. :roll:

Japanese Americans were overwhelming loyal to the US
 
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Orly? said:
Didn't we even find many tens of years later on islands that still wanted to fight?
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There were scattered holdouts yeah.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

Abbazorkzog said:
To add to my previous post, the atomic bombing wouldn't have happened if the morons of our so-called US government hadn't been racist, xenophobic fascists themselves - ie; Japanese-American concentration camps.
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Racism and xenophobia might have played a part in the internment camps(and I emphasize the word "might". It was a bad enough mistake without it being either of those things, so why worry about that aspect), but it played no role that I have ever heard of in the decision to use nuclear weapons.
 
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Orly? said:
Bernie loves the guy that concentrated the Japanese!!
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OK, this is really complicated so try and follow close: did you know that Roosevelt did more than one thing in his life? I know, hard to believe, but it is true.
 
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People also become single minded in their view of the atomic bombings as a decision that affected only the United States and Japan. They usually forget that there were tens of millions of people, including hundreds of thousands of prisoners, across the entire span of Asia that were languishing under Japanese control. Japanese troops still occupied huge portions of Indonesia, Vietnam, the Philippines, Korea, China, Malaysia, New Guniea, and a vast assortment of islands across the Pacific. Thousands were dying every day as the result of famine, combat, insurgent activity, and depredations from the occupying authorities. Every day that the war continued their suffering would go unabated.
 
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Redress said:
OK, this is really complicated so try and follow close: did you know that Roosevelt did more than one thing in his life? I know, hard to believe, but it is true.
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Reality sucks for socialists sorry...
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

Orly? said:
We were right to nuke them.. And intern them..
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The ones interned, they where us, not them. What other Americans would you lock up in the name of possibly being more secure, without trial or recourse?
 
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Sherman123 said:
What? You can't possibly believe that. The German economy under the Third Reich, in the peacetime years, can be best described as a hybrid autarky which nearly collapsed for want of basic resources and funds, something which they were only saved from due to the outbreak of the war and the pillage which it brought.
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Barry Mehler, 'Eliminating the Inferior: American and Nazi Sterilization Programs,' Science for the People (Nov-Dec 1987) pp. 14-18.
Yale Study: U.S. Eugenics Paralleled Nazi Germany
The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics
How American Eugenicists Helped Shape Nazi Tactics
American eugenics and the Nazi connection
History of Eugenics
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
Bush bank tied to Nazi funding
Wall St. and the Rise of Hitler

This has been common mainstream knowledge for almost 20 years.

Furthermore even if it were somehow true it would have nothing to do with Japan which began its conquest of China, and eventually the Pacific Rim, in total separation from Germany.
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Sure it would, it would have discouraged fascism in all forms. It wouldn't have been so popular had Hitler and the Nazis not risen to power. Mussolini would have had to fight off Germany, France, Russia, pretty much everyone. There wouldn't have been the motivation that sparked fascism abroad had it not been for Hitler and the Nazis.
 
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Redress said:
The ones interned, they where us, not them. What other Americans would you lock up in the name of possibly being more secure, without trial or recourse?
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None at the moment..
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

Tigerace117 said:
These were the same guys who wanted to fight on after getting nuked twice.

Bluffs don't work when your facing a group of lunatics.
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The Japanese government was very confusing at that time. A few radicals would not have necessarily made a difference(as they did not after the bombs where dropped). Now, I don't have a particular problem with the bombings, and what problem I do have is that I think there where better choices of targets that would have both reduced civilian casualties and done more to impair Japan's ability to fight, but I also understand that there is no real right or wrong answer. it is a value judgement based on guessing what people we know little about would do.
 
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