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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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Another one with no reading comprehension skills I see...

instagramsci said:
What he is trying to do is belittle the problems trans people face by acting like trans people say that everyone who is cis, that their lives are perfect. Which they really don't do
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No. That "all cis people have no problems" comment was directed specifically at Absentglare. Bringing up the trans people in this thread was referring to the "woe is me I'm so oppressed" attitude and the statement was directed at roguenuke.

This really isn't that hard. I was very clear in my statements. Not sure how you mixed those two together.
 
505 said:
I agree, and 4 or 5 years ago I probably would have just flat out apologized for being so "hateful".

Nowadays, I'm so sick of being seen as the enemy because I am white and cis and male. With the BLM and trans and fems activists everywhere demonizing me and people like me, I am sick of it and I am tired of being sorry. I live my life "colorblind" and "raceblind" and "sexblind". I wish everybody else would do the same and just STFU about it, and judge people on their merits instead of their size/gender/race.
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Exactly... But, that's the new civil rights... Who cares that it will cost you the first few amendments, but you now have the right to be told how many ways you are a bigot, or you can be a hero and chop your c*ck off.
 
505 said:
Uhm. Ok?

The fact that this younger generation is too stupid to understand why there are separate change rooms is not my problem. The fact of the matter is, we do it for a reason, and always have. It is not YOUR right to go and push this BS on MY children. Little girls don't need to see your dick in the change room. Period.

And? That's illegal too so what the **** is your point?

Because people are getting sick of you activists wanting to change everything to suit your own twisted agendas. It's not "making things harder for you for no reason" when I don't want you naked and changing with my 10 year old girl. It's really not. I'm not trying to make things harder for YOU. I am sticking up for what I think is right for me and my family. Sorry that the two are at odds with each other, which is why I have suggested in the past that we go to a 3 room system, adding a unisex room for trans and people that otherwise don't care. It's the best compromise for that particular problem.
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In my school, nobody forced children to take off their underwear, nor stare at other peoples naked bodies. Your paranoia is bizarre, any child harassing another with their naked body, regardless of gender, is wrong. I'm sorry that old generations are too stupid to understand gender. Thankfully, they have a habit of dying off.

My point about MMA was that your point is ridiculously stupid. What might constitute cheating is irrelevant here.

Being a bigoted moron is perfectly legal. Whining about being called a bigot is something i can't even pretend to care about.
 
505 said:
Another one with no reading comprehension skills I see...



No. That "all cis people have no problems" comment was directed specifically at Absentglare. Bringing up the trans people in this thread was referring to the "woe is me I'm so oppressed" attitude and the statement was directed at roguenuke.

This really isn't that hard. I was very clear in my statements. Not sure how you mixed those two together.
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I didn't say cis people have no problems. I said cis people don't have the same problems as trans*. That's your silly claim.
 
Absentglare said:
I didn't say cis people have no problems. I said cis people don't have the same problems as trans*. That's your silly claim.
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Oh yeah?

No one gives a **** about white cis gender problems because there aren't any.
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Queue goalpost shifting or twisting in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
 
Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165]

What is cis?
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Always with new terms, it's hard to keep up..., I already got told I can't shorten it to, rhymes with grannies, anymore.
 
Absentglare said:
Your paranoia is bizarre,
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Not really. The vast majority out there agrees with me, and feel that what is bizarre is men INSISTING that they need to use the women's facilities.

Thankfully, they have a habit of dying off.
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Thankfully, not as quick as the other side... given that they're killing themselves off in record numbers. Or do you only flaunt that statistic when it suits your agenda?
 
BmanMcfly said:
What is cis?
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Always with new terms, it's hard to keep up..., I already got told I can't shorten it to, rhymes with grannies, anymore.
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It's the slur that trans people (or some gender studies moron) made up to describe normal people, so they'd have something to fling back that to them is equal to getting called t***ny. So if you aren't trans, you're cis.
 
505 said:
It's the slur that trans people (or some gender studies moron) made up to describe normal people, so they'd have something to fling back that to them is equal to getting called t***ny. So if you aren't trans, you're cis.
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Oh, what does it stand for?

I have overheard being called a "breeder" once, while walking with my wife...

Lmao.., the rise of the gay-supremacists, and the pc police to make sure that only straight people are subjected.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Oh, what does it stand for?

I have overheard being called a "breeder" once, while walking with my wife...

Lmao.., the rise of the gay-supremacists, and the pc police to make sure that only straight people are subjected.
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It doesn't really "stand" for anything, it's just literally the latin root opposite of "trans" (the other side of)... "cis" = "this side of".
 
505 said:
Well let's do a quick sample. So far, 100% of the trans people in this thread have had the "woe is me I'm so oppressed by the cissies" attitude.

Go take a look on twitter or tumblr for cis scum.

Yeah. Totally just a couple of them. :roll:
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Ok im going to set something straight right now. As far as trans people go im pretty ****ing privileged and I completely realize it. I live in an area that was ranked pretty highly for being friendly to the LGBT community, my parents are accepting and so are my friends, my place of employment is extremely lgbt friendly and my coworkers are awesome, I have enough money to pay for my treatments including SRS if I seriously started saving for it, im white (most of the transwomen who are killed or harassed by police or homeless ect are racial minorities), and I have run into very few intolerant dickheads outside of the internet (but who cares about that). When I talk about various hardships that transpeople have to deal with Im certainly not talking about me. Sure there are a couple of things in my life that suck due to me being trans but they arnt super big deals and are mostly little annoyances more than anything. So please explain to me where I was talking about how cis people oppress me.

To be honest if anyone here is playing the victim its you.
 
Omgitsme said:
Ok im going to set something straight right now. As far as trans people go im pretty ****ing privileged and I completely realize it. I live in an area that was ranked pretty highly for being friendly to the LGBT community, my parents are accepting and so are my friends, my place of employment is extremely lgbt friendly and my coworkers are awesome, I have enough money to pay for my treatments including SRS if I seriously started saving for it, im white (most of the transwomen who are killed or harassed by police or homeless ect are racial minorities), and I have run into very few intolerant dickheads outside of the internet (but who cares about that). When I talk about various hardships that transpeople have to deal with Im certainly not talking about me. Sure there are a couple of things in my life that suck due to me being trans but they arnt super big deals and are mostly little annoyances more than anything. So please explain to me where I was talking about how cis people oppress me.

To be honest if anyone here is playing the victim its you.
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But you don't understand! Someone was mean to him on the internet! Its the same thing as society devaluing trans lives
 
Omgitsme said:
Ok im going to set something straight right now. As far as trans people go im pretty ****ing privileged and I completely realize it. I live in an area that was ranked pretty highly for being friendly to the LGBT community, my parents are accepting and so are my friends, my place of employment is extremely lgbt friendly and my coworkers are awesome, I have enough money to pay for my treatments including SRS if I seriously started saving for it, im white (most of the transwomen who are killed or harassed by police or homeless ect are racial minorities), and I have run into very few intolerant dickheads outside of the internet (but who cares about that). When I talk about various hardships that transpeople have to deal with Im certainly not talking about me. Sure there are a couple of things in my life that suck due to me being trans but they arnt super big deals and are mostly little annoyances more than anything. So please explain to me where I was talking about how cis people oppress me.
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I'll admit that for the most part you are more general with it than most people, and I really don't feel like digging through your posts for a "gotcha moment", so I will only post one that come up from a very simple quick search (and isn't even that bad).

Omgitsme said:
... we should just be ok with all of the other instances of discrimination?
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Again not even a big deal but does lean slightly towards complaining about "cis oppression".

To be honest if anyone here is playing the victim its you.
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Riiiiight. Let's recap then shall we?...

1. I said "as the trans community so eloquently puts it" (referring to die-cis-scum).
2. You took offense to that and told me that I am "just as bad as they are".
3. I agreed with that, and said I really don't give a **** because I'm sick of the activists that demonize people for being white cis males.
4. That is now twisted by you into "you're the one playing a victim here".

Just... wtf?

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instagramsci said:
But you don't understand! Someone was mean to him on the internet! Its the same thing as society devaluing trans lives
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Yeah I'm so totally "devaluing trans lives" since I don't want them undressing in the same locker rooms as my daughter. Those poor babies, how ever will they cope with such cruelty? Scores of them probably just committed suicide because 505 on debatepolitics has an opinion that differs from their own. I'M SUCH A MONSTER!!! :roll:
 
And with that I'm packing it up and retiring. I have somehow achieved the miraculous position of both the victim AND the oppressor in the very same thread. I honestly never realized such a thing was possible, but it's kind of awesome.

:peace
 
505 said:
Yeah I'm so totally "devaluing trans lives" since I don't want them undressing in the same locker rooms as my daughter. Those poor babies, how ever will they cope with such cruelty?
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you're really good at taking things that are said and just completely ignoring them in favor of what you want to say. its child-like in nature

505 said:
I'M SUCH A MONSTER!!! :roll:
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no you're a pretty dime a dozen transphobe. on par with 10 year old FPS players who like to say the n-word but not too loud lest their mothers hear them
 
505 said:
It doesn't really "stand" for anything, it's just literally the latin root opposite of "trans" (the other side of)... "cis" = "this side of".
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Oh, ok, so, if the trans people are allowed a slur against normal people, then why should I have to bite my tongue?
 
BmanMcfly said:
Oh, ok, so, if the trans people are allowed a slur against normal people, then why should I have to bite my tongue?
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its no more a slur to cis people than trans is to trans people

or, more simply put, not a slur at all
 
BmanMcfly said:
You clearly missed that it was intended as a slur.
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According to 505 lol

You see for something to be a slur it has to be aimed at a group or groups of people who are at a social disadvantage

Cis people are at a disadvantage. A lot of the time. Be it because they're poor or they don't have the right complexion or facial features. But not because they are cis. The same can't be said for trans people
 
instagramsci said:
According to 505 lol

You see for something to be a slur it has to be aimed at a group or groups of people who are at a social disadvantage

Cis people are at a disadvantage. A lot of the time. Be it because they're poor or they don't have the right complexion or facial features. But not because they are cis. The same can't be said for trans people
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So, black people call white people "cracker" and that is still a slur, even though it doesn't phase white people (generally at least).
 
BmanMcfly said:
So, black people call white people "cracker" and that is still a slur, even though it doesn't phase white people (generally at least).
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if we're going off the definition of a slur as "any pejorative"

but I prefer

you know

real world uses
 
505 said:
I'll admit that for the most part you are more general with it than most people, and I really don't feel like digging through your posts for a "gotcha moment", so I will only post one that come up from a very simple quick search (and isn't even that bad).



Again not even a big deal but does lean slightly towards complaining about "cis oppression".



Riiiiight. Let's recap then shall we?...

1. I said "as the trans community so eloquently puts it" (referring to die-cis-scum).
2. You took offense to that and told me that I am "just as bad as they are".
3. I agreed with that, and said I really don't give a **** because I'm sick of the activists that demonize people for being white cis males.
4. That is now twisted by you into "you're the one playing a victim here".

Just... wtf?

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And you notice how that quote isnt about me right? However your quote here certianly is all about you being "demonized". So again if anyone here is playing the victim its you.

505 said:
I agree, and 4 or 5 years ago I probably would have just flat out apologized for being so "hateful".

Nowadays, I'm so sick of being seen as the enemy because I am white and cis and male. With the BLM and trans and fems activists everywhere demonizing me and people like me, I am sick of it and I am tired of being sorry. I live my life "colorblind" and "raceblind" and "sexblind". I wish everybody else would do the same and just STFU about it, and judge people on their merits instead of their size/gender/race.
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Now im sure there are a couple problems in life specific to non trans people (even though I cant exactly think of one off the top of my head) but there are quite a few serious disadvantages that many trans people experience all the time. And it would be pretty awesome if we could talk about those disadvantages without instantly being labeled as "playing the victim" by someone. Because I dont think realizing that you or someone else has a ****ty deal in life is playing the victim.
 
instagramsci said:
But you don't understand! Someone was mean to him on the internet! Its the same thing as society devaluing trans lives
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505 said:
Yeah I'm so totally "devaluing trans lives" since I don't want them undressing in the same locker rooms as my daughter. Those poor babies, how ever will they cope with such cruelty? Scores of them probably just committed suicide because 505 on debatepolitics has an opinion that differs from their own. I'M SUCH A MONSTER!!! :roll:
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Just saying. If anyone is playing the victim....
 
BmanMcfly said:
Oh, ok, so, if the trans people are allowed a slur against normal people, then why should I have to bite my tongue?
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Its not a slur. Cisgender is just the opposite of transgender. Thats all. He just thinks its a slur because some idiots say things like "die cis scum" (and yes those specific trans people who post on that site are idiots) which doesnt make cis a slur just like how if someone were to say "die white scum" doesnt mean white is a slur.
 
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