View Poll Results: Freedom vs Safety: Which do you value most?

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Thread: Freedom vs Safety

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Complete freedom would be anarchy. Complete safety would be life in a box. Balance in all things. Even moderation.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Freedoms are guaranteed though overridden by subsequent legal maneuvers and political shenanigans. Safety is never guaranteed and is more our personal responsibility and personal supervision and constant vigilance than that of any sitting government. Law enforcement and the judiciary as well as medical practioners merely react to post events while we ourselves can sometimes, not always but sometimmes be proactive and interdictive.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    How can you feel safe without freedom? Without it means someone else is controlling your destiny and surely doesn't care about you as much as you do.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Which do you value most -- freedom or safety?
    Of the two, its "more" ,not "most".
    And, the answer is freedom - freedom from the safety nazis.
    But, of course, without reasonable safety, there is no freedom.
    The keyword is "reasonable".

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by smallstuff View Post
    Freedoms are guaranteed though overridden by subsequent legal maneuvers and political shenanigans. Safety is never guaranteed and is more our personal responsibility and personal supervision and constant vigilance than that of any sitting government. Law enforcement and the judiciary as well as medical practitioners merely react to post events while we ourselves can sometimes, not always but sometimes be proactive and interdictive.
    Strange thinking, IMO.
    You seem to not care for the ways things are done....or do you wish absolute freedoms ?
    We are trying to guaranty safety and have been for some time...
    A man can drive his motor-vehicle into a bridge abutment at 60 mph and simply walk away..
    One can try to take 0.0 ,zero care of his body, but health care requirements will prevent this....its coming...
    Cry "FIRE" in the crowded movie theater and laws will protect the "liar",...."he is nuts"...no punishment.
    The wealthy may steal from the poor, and they make the laws to protect themselves from recrimination..

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Strange thinking, IMO.
    You seem to not care for the ways things are done....or do you wish absolute freedoms ?
    We are trying to guaranty safety and have been for some time...
    A man can drive his motor-vehicle into a bridge abutment at 60 mph and simply walk away..
    One can try to take 0.0 ,zero care of his body, but health care requirements will prevent this....its coming...
    Cry "FIRE" in the crowded movie theater and laws will protect the "liar",...."he is nuts"...no punishment.
    The wealthy may steal from the poor, and they make the laws to protect themselves from recrimination..
    No one is saying absolute freedom. Read my original post in this thread. That is what my problem is and you might realize it doesn't pertain to all laws.

    Though I would protect the cry fire guy. Almost all of your examples are exactly what I have a problem with, and are tyrannical by design.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I asked Henrin this

    So putting that double yellow line down the middle of the street does not prevent bad things from happening on that road every day that thousands of cars drive on it?


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    No, I really don't find it saves lives. Just like I don't really think speed limits do much anything.
    Amazing. Just simply amazing. I dearly hope you are not in the highway safety business. Your extremism on this issue tells us volumes why libertarianism fails to catch on with the American people who I fail to see clamoring to get rid of highway divider lines or speed limits. But perhaps you know of a national movement of citizens to do both?

    Henrin invoked LIBERTY and I asked him this regarding it

    Do you want the 'liberty' (what ever the hell that means,) to drive anywhere you want to on that road? Do you defend the 'liberty' of others to use the road as they please? Or do you believe in laws designed with prevention in mind?



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    Kind of a pointless question.
    Actually it is indeed the CENTRAL question to one who uses LIBERTY as a word the way a late night lounge lizard uses the word LOVE fifteen minutes before the closing of the bar directed at anything still at body temperature not yet claimed.

    And your intentions are the same.

    So how about it henrin - do you defend the liberty of both yourself and others to use the roads as you please to use them?
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Traditionally this question revolves around the requirement that Motorcycle riders be required the wear a helmet or drivers being required to wear seat belts.


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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No one is saying absolute freedom. Read my original post in this thread. That is what my problem is and you might realize it doesn't pertain to all laws.

    Though I would protect the cry fire guy. Almost all of your examples are exactly what I have a problem with, and are tyrannical by design.
    Stop Lights are tyrannical by design?

    Don't Walk lights are tyrannical design?

    Stop signs are tyrannical by design?

    requireing seatbelts and motorcycle helments, is tyrannical by design?

    requiring smke detectors & CO alarms, is tyrannical by design?

    .......perhaps you should take a trip to North Korea someday, and experience REAL tyranny. Cause honestly, you're really complaining about a whole lot of nothing.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Stop Lights are tyrannical by design?

    Don't Walk lights are tyrannical design?

    Stop signs are tyrannical by design?
    Already dealt with.

    requireing seatbelts and motorcycle helments, is tyrannical by design?
    Yes, why should I have to wear a helmet or wear my seatbelt? This isn't even safety of others like some of the other issues that I disagree with, this is just my safety which is even more ridiculous. Why can't I have control over it?

    requiring smke detectors & CO alarms, is tyrannical by design?
    Yes. I shouldn't have to put safety devices in my home or make sure they all work.

    And besides they are ****ing annoying. Which one is ****ing beeping?! LETS FIND WALDO!

    .......perhaps you should take a trip to North Korea someday, and experience REAL tyranny. Cause honestly, you're really complaining about a whole lot of nothing.
    There is different levels of tyranny.

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