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Terror -- The Uk's New Christmas export

We've had a long tradition of incubating extremists and other volatile elements here.

It's an effort to make up for our relative lack of unstable anarchy, murderous political extremity and unswerving adherence to various unsavoury new masters as historically found on the European mainland and beyond.


And there's one factor differentiating the likes of Scientologists and the Islamic 'extremists' - the fact that barbarism is still mainstream Islamic cultural fare. Just take a look at the Islamic and Christian worlds. (But as I say, liberal-leftists still prefer the fantasy of a Waco in every district because Christian extremists are the only ones responsible for their actions, apparently.)

Well this bull**** from our Muslim-In-Chief would totally piss me off if I were British.
EXACTLY HOW MUCH 'EMPOWERING' DO THE DAMN ISLAMISTS NEED?
I THINK HE WANTS THEM TO KILL US ALL, I REALLY DO!


Did you know the Muslim-in-Chief ordered US embassy personnel in the UK to “empower” British Muslims? « Bare Naked Islam's Weblog
 
Your lacking knowledge is not a measure of reality.

I have more knowledge than I want... You think I enjoy this bull****?
...And as far as 'lacking knowledge', so you say.
I doubt you have a fraction of the education I do.
Ad Hominems are exactly what I expect from liberal assholes.
 
Sorry, no go. We've been told right here that letting terrorists roam is their revenge for we having the temerity to react to 9/11.




Says a lot about ordinary 'fellow citizen' Muslims blowing off that kind of 'steam'.


Nice people such 'peaceful' Muslims:

Almost a quarter of Muslims believe 7/7 was justified | Mail Online


Perhaps if these people are so resentful of the life they have here, a free ride back to their idealised Islamic World could be arranged - with the Foreign Aid pot overflowing with money to aid their homecoming resettlement!


EXACTLY.
Here is why islam and judeo christian countries can never live peaceably:

The Big Picture - Unassimilated Islam is a Cancer on the West
 
Considering that you think I am ignorant, clearly, why should I do all that work for you?
I will toss out a few titles of the books that are scattered about my living room, but that's it. I am far too busy to work for you, I have enough work thank you very much.

Godless Ann Coulter
The Quran
Because They Hate Brigitte Gabriel (the founder of Act! for America)
Islamic Imperialism Efraim Karsh
Islam Unveiled David Pryce-Jones
The Muslim Brotherhood Sperry/Gaubatz
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam Robert Spencer
They Call Me Infidel Nonie Darwish
They Must be Stopped Brigitte Gabriel
Willful Blindness Andrew C. McCarthy
Infidel Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Militant Islam Reaches America Daniel Pipes
The Post American Presidency Pamela Geller

That's it. I am not listing every single book in my bookshelves!
And just FYI, I am an educated person who worked on death penalty cases during my working career, not a McDonald's employee.
I can tell you THIS: I am very busy and the that is the last work I am doing for you!

I never said anything about you being uneducated. I will get back to you soon on the books.
 
I have more knowledge than I want... You think I enjoy this bull****?
...And as far as 'lacking knowledge', so you say.
I doubt you have a fraction of the education I do.
Ad Hominems are exactly what I expect from liberal assholes.

Education =/= intelligence. I am not saying that you are unintelligent, I'm just saying that education=/= intelligence.
 
And btw, the Founding Fathers would jump out of their graves and say "Hallelujah!"

Oh, yeah. I'm sure they'd be overjoyed at the idea of the United States banning religions. :lol: It's not like freedom of religion was fundamental to them or anything silly like that.

Do stop. I'm actually embarrassed for you.
 
Oh, yeah. I'm sure they'd be overjoyed at the idea of the United States banning religions. :lol: It's not like freedom of religion was fundamental to them or anything silly like that.

Do stop. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Meh, let him knock himself out, at least its entertaining :2razz:
 
Well Gee, I don't know a single Christian that has had FGM performed on them.
I don't know about any terrorists aside from Islamists screaming "Alahu Ahkbar".
...And sharia is enough of a reason to throw the quran in the toilet.
It's barbaric and anti-democratic, not to mention that we have OUR OWN RELIGIONS IN THE WEST AND ARE NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT THE ISLAMISTS HAVE TO SELL.

If I were you, I would sue whatever college you got your eduction from. Seriously.
 
So, you think sharia is a good thing? You think that FGM is a good thing? You think terrorism is a good thing? You think that the slaughter of innocents is a good thing?
<shudders>
What, exactly, is your point?

I don't think any of those are a good thing. But you still haven't explained how banning Islam in the US would fix any of those problems. Neither have you even begun to explain how you, your anti-Islam associates and the Congressmen who allegedly back you up are ever going to constitutionally justify banning ANY religion.
 
If I were you, I would sue whatever college you got your eduction from. Seriously.

Welcome to the next age of politics in America.

I can't wait until the people running the nation really are this hysterical, instead of just sounding like that when it suits the need of the moment.

I hope she runs for office somewhere someday. She'd really put the LOL in pololitcs. :lol:
 
You may not be able to ban Islam, though it would be possible to deny it legitimate official backing, especially if taxpayers foot the bill (CAIR, ECHR, etc.).

If a growing number of hooligans and malcontents can't be trusted with it, and find themselves as they are due to it, then there's little incentive to hold it on equal terms with truly peaceful religions anyway.
 
Its no surprise France enjoys better relations considering they were a far less prominent actor in the 'coalition'.

Paul

Indeed; but as Arcana XV also pointed out, France somehow could be more of a terrorism haven than the UK (considering its historic and present day intolerance: Algeria, burqa ban, etc).
 
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The comparison with christianity is a poor tu quoque at best. Christianity praises passivity, docility, and non-violence while criticizing "master virtues" like ruthlessness and strength, the ultimate slave religion according to Nietzsche.

We have been constantly under attack by islamists, not christians, since 2001. From the attacks on our service men in Afhanistan and Iraq, to the attacks on tourists in Bali Indonesia, the regular attacks on jewish institutions and places of worship - ancient synagogues in Tunesia, Marocco, Turkey (who opposed the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan), the London metro, Madrid, the attempt to blow up the parliament of India, the attack on the government of Denmark its embassies and its economy, the attempt to axe an cartoonist, the list goes on and on.

Aside from these minor incidents, there's the constant 'moral' blackmail of supposedly offending 1,5 bln muslims, meant as a threat to silence critics everywhere. Nope, non muslims can't generalise but Islamists certainly don't see a problem speaking on behalf of 1,5 bln people. Why doesn't the Left spend some time lecturing Mubarak or Erdogan instead.

When it comes to Islam my principle is save the children first. Not being subjected to Islam is about as important to me as preventing them from going to a Roman Catholic boarding school.
 
Indeed; but as Arcana XV also pointed out, France somehow could be more of a terrorism haven than the UK (considering its historic and present day intolerance: Algeria, burqa ban, etc).


I think you hit the nail on the head for any differences between terrorist recruitment in post 155

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/87827-terror-uks-new-christmas-export-16.html#post1059178066

I had intended on coming back and suggesting to Arcana that the other difference beside our involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq is the background of our Muslims, both of us having our largest proportion of Muslims from our previous colonies.

I think that is the issue. While what is considered 'British' is definitely tolerance, I see an undercurrent of something else sneaking in even in BBC news at times. People like RoP unfortunately are not an anomaly. Panorama put a Muslim man and woman pretending to be husband and wife into a white working class council estate. From the beginning they suffered verbal harassment about being Taliban and some pushing and shoving. If I remember correctly the BBC stopped it before time for fear of their safety.

Another example. I was reading a research article the other day. They guy mentioned that a police officer had said his son came how from school and said 'Dad, it is only Muslims who can be terrorists isn't it?', suggesting the sort of things which are said in some schools.

So we have our own problems on other levels too but I would think you probably hit the nail on the head when you said
today France entertains far better relationships with countries susceptible to be a terrorists haven than the UK does

My guess would be a combination of our involvement in the wars plus the emotional suseptability due to their old homeland being involved. Of course we need to remember that only a tiny proportion get involved in terrorism in the whole of Europe. I read a pew report a week or so ago which said that although numbers were not known, it was guessed that for the whole of Europe it was probably just a few hundred so when people get their knickers in a twist against all Muslims they have no justification. On that level most of the UK learned not to do this with Northern Ireland.
 
Indeed; but as Arcana XV also pointed out, France somehow could be more of a terrorism haven than the UK (considering its historic and present day intolerance: Algeria, burqa ban, etc).

Yes that's an interesting point. Alexa has gone on to raise some pertinent points. For me, looking at it comparatively it most definitely highlights the origins of our respective Muslim communities being a contributing factor. France's two largest Muslim communities are Algerian and Moroccan. Where as the UK, the two largest communities are from Pakistan and the Bangladesh region.

Islam in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paul
 
I think you hit the nail on the head for any differences between terrorist recruitment in post 155

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/87827-terror-uks-new-christmas-export-16.html#post1059178066

I had intended on coming back and suggesting to Arcana that the other difference beside our involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq is the background of our Muslims, both of us having our largest proportion of Muslims from our previous colonies.

I think that is the issue. While what is considered 'British' is definitely tolerance, I see an undercurrent of something else sneaking in even in BBC news at times. People like RoP unfortunately are not an anomaly. Panorama put a Muslim man and woman pretending to be husband and wife into a white working class council estate. From the beginning they suffered verbal harassment about being Taliban and some pushing and shoving. If I remember correctly the BBC stopped it before time for fear of their safety.

Another example. I was reading a research article the other day. They guy mentioned that a police officer had said his son came how from school and said 'Dad, it is only Muslims who can be terrorists isn't it?', suggesting the sort of things which are said in some schools.

So we have our own problems on other levels too but I would think you probably hit the nail on the head when you said

My guess would be a combination of our involvement in the wars plus the emotional suseptability due to their old homeland being involved. Of course we need to remember that only a tiny proportion get involved in terrorism in the whole of Europe. I read a pew report a week or so ago which said that although numbers were not known, it was guessed that for the whole of Europe it was probably just a few hundred so when people get their knickers in a twist against all Muslims they have no justification. On that level most of the UK learned not to do this with Northern Ireland.

The problem is Alexa the number one terrorist threat, for a multitude of reaons, to the UK at this moment in time is from Muslim extremist.
 
The problem is Alexa the number one terrorist threat, for a multitude of reaons, to the UK at this moment in time is from Muslim extremist.

I am aware of that. My point was that just as most of us learned not to see every Irish person as a possible terrorist, the same ought to be the case with Muslims.
 
I am aware of that. My point was that just as most of us learned not to see every Irish person as a possible terrorist, the same ought to be the case with Muslims.

Very true. The trouble with this kind of empirical experiment is it always brings this kind of reaction. The reverse [placing two white middle class persons in a Muslim enclave] would have the same effect. So, at most, you can suggest that 'parts' of the media are reaching 'parts' of society, but that in no way reflects society as a whole.

Paul
 
Very true. The trouble with this kind of empirical experiment is it always brings this kind of reaction. The reverse [placing two white middle class persons in a Muslim enclave] would have the same effect. So, at most, you can suggest that 'parts' of the media are reaching 'parts' of society, but that in no way reflects society as a whole.

Paul

Yes I agree that is a possibility and polls would certainly suggest this is not the mentality of the majority of British and not the mentality I have personally come up with. It is more what I find on this forum, hence why I said most of the people in the UK had learned not to have this reaction.

However it is also the mentality of a minority of our people. The BNP managed to exploit this anti South Asian feeling after 9/11 and of course there is the EDL. It has been suggested that when we got into sorting out our racism in the 80's over black people rioting and collectively stabbing a policeman over and over again, we wrongly believed that racism against Blacks and South Asians, now all Muslims came from the same thing. We dealt to a large extent with the difficulties Blacks faced. Meanwhile racism towards South Asians was almost untouched and I do know that because of feed back from my daughter when she went to school and checked out with me whether it was alright to speak towards a south asian in a way which she absolutely knew would be racist if done to a black.

I think it is fair to say that we did not deal with this properly resulting in second generation South Asians thinking 'what is going on here. I was born in this country. It is my home. Why do I need to put up with being called names and be twice as good to succeed etc and at the same time left the door open for those who were racist to quietly change that racism from South Asians to all Muslims.
 
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Yes that's an interesting point. Alexa has gone on to raise some pertinent points. For me, looking at it comparatively it most definitely highlights the origins of our respective Muslim communities being a contributing factor. France's two largest Muslim communities are Algerian and Moroccan. Where as the UK, the two largest communities are from Pakistan and the Bangladesh region.

Islam in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paul

That actually makes a lot more sense than the idea that Islamic terrorists indiscriminately strike at the West without any other reason than "they hate our freedoms". It absolutely explains why they've been targeting some countries and have left others well enough alone.
 
I think it is fair to say that we did not deal with this properly resulting in second generation South Asians thinking 'what is going on here. I was born in this country. It is my home. Why do I need to put up with being called names and be twice as good to succeed etc and at the same time left the door open for those who were racist to quietly change that racism from South Asians to all Muslims.

I agree with that narrative except the 'fitting' in aspect. If the host nation is culturally poles away from that of the Asian culture it makes them stand out by default. This of course makes them different [not a problem in itself]. Bring the narrative up to the 21st century we have a minority of young Muslims who feel disenfranchised in their country of birth. Unfortunately on their quest for an identity some fall prey to radical Islamism.

Paul
 
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