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Far-Right Anti-Merkel Rises in Germany... The right-wing populists of Europe...

PeteEU said:
Have you? Yes I had to google it, as Nazi ideology is hardly normal reading...
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Nazi ideology is not normal reading?! When I went to school we learned a lot about it.


Sounds very very right wing to me.
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Then you have totally misunderstood the meaning.

Stop trying to "translate" the text. This is what it actually said
"That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished."

This is the language of a socialist, not capitalist. In this point he is thinking about rich people who earn money on capital gains, it is not about common people. How de we know this, look at point 15 where he says pensions should be generous.

And yet they never carried that out. Big corporations were owned by private owners, all Nazis.

And yet that never happened either, since most big corporations used slave labour.
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It is normal that parties do not do everything they promised, just look at left wing parties in the EU. Nazi Germany was more interested in military spending than to nationalize. And while he never shared the profit with the workers, the companies certainly got heavily taxed.

He also implemented some left wing policies that weren't in the 25 point program. For instance he implemented price controls, and that's a very left wing policy. He also increased taxes and red tape. For instance corporate tax rates increased from 20% to 40% The number of people who paid the top income tax rate increased by 445%. And he limited profits to 6%. How Hitler Tackled Unemployment

This doesn't sound like a person who is right wing economically. However, he was definitely not a communist either. That is why I place him economically at -5 in a [-10,10] scale.
 
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austrianecon said:
It actually is.
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No, it is not.

Today.. Leftist "Anarchist" and Libertarian Socialist are Communist and don't realize it.
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No, they are not.

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communism


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n
a political theory favoring collectivism in a classless society

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ideology, political orientation, political theory
an orientation that characterizes the thinking of a group or nation



n
a form of socialism that abolishes private ownership

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Bolshevism, collectivism, sovietism
Soviet communism

revisionism
a moderate evolutionary form of Marxism

revisionism
any dangerous departure from the teachings of Marx

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socialism, socialist economy
an economic system based on state ownership of capital
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Communism is a form of Socialist Marxism, you have even that backwards.

They play cute with words because calling yourself a communist is still frowned upon post-McCarthyism. Communism in it's purist form is without a State, thus no hierarchy and every is communal.
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That is Anarchy.

While Anarcho-Capitalism (Far Right) is absent of state with hierarchy via capitalism.
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You have just contradicted yourself.
 
Nazism mixed right-wing militarism, racism, manifest destiny stuff and social darwinism with leftist economic ideas. That's nothing new. Doesn't mean they were "socialist" as in "left".

The Alternative for Germany (AFD) and Frauke Petry are hardly Nazis. They're not 100% sure who they actually are themselves, so far. They range from rather bourgeous "libertarians gone wild" over people with a beef with Islam up to more nationalistic-conservative elements. I guess the best label is "right-wing populist".

Something like Trump's German cousins. Their economic ideas are actually rather pro-market, but nobody cares about those anyway, they just want fewer refugees and immigrants.


That said, they do a good job of stirring up the German party spectrum. Never since 1949, there has been a successful party to the right of Merkel's center-right Christian Democrats (CDU). Now there is one.

But it's nowhere near of even being able to dream of winning a government majority. They are polled at 10%-15% on national level. If Germany didn't have proportional representation, but a majority system like the US or Britian, we'd probably not even notice they're there.
 
German guy said:
.........................The Alternative for Germany (AFD) and Frauke Petry are hardly Nazis. They're not 100% sure who they actually are themselves, so far.
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I propose that they gave a pretty good picture of who they do NOT want to be.

When the majority of the original founders of AfD wanted to rid themselves of the radicals within and especially the radical voters (some of them dyed in the wool Nazis) that deemed the party a good platform, the current leadership around Petry staged a coup and by majority vote quashed the moderates to the point of leaving.

Thus clearly preferring the profits of sleeping with all sorts of dogs and never mind the fleas.

That tells a story.
They range from rather bourgeous "libertarians gone wild" over people with a beef with Islam up to more nationalistic-conservative elements. I guess the best label is "right-wing populist".
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The best label is one of total lack of integrity and rampant opportunism being pre-dominant, no matter how much lipstick they want to put on their pig snouts.

Not being one to go down the silly road of simplistic generalizations, I'd concede that probably the majority of their voters and perhaps the greater part of their membership are not all that happy about "the fleas", yet fleas remain what they are, fleas.

Where voters are concerned, more than likely the majority of those in opposition to the mainstream parties and the coalition government policies (in Berlin), with grating teeth voted some lesser evil rather than be associated with this bunch.

Something like Trump's German cousins.
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"something", yeah. But no further relation
Their economic ideas are actually rather pro-market,
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Any economic ideas (let alone concepts) left with those ousted by the coup. For which reason you've nailed it pretty well with:
but nobody cares about those anyway, they just want fewer refugees and immigrants.
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I agree with your final conclusion (which I've snipped for brevity) :).
 
Chagos said:
I propose that they gave a pretty good picture of who they do NOT want to be.

When the majority of the original founders of AfD wanted to rid themselves of the radicals within and especially the radical voters (some of them dyed in the wool Nazis) that deemed the party a good platform, the current leadership around Petry staged a coup and by majority vote quashed the moderates to the point of leaving.

Thus clearly preferring the profits of sleeping with all sorts of dogs and never mind the fleas.

That tells a story. The best label is one of total lack of integrity and rampant opportunism being pre-dominant, no matter how much lipstick they want to put on their pig snouts.

Not being one to go down the silly road of simplistic generalizations, I'd concede that probably the majority of their voters and perhaps the greater part of their membership are not all that happy about "the fleas", yet fleas remain what they are, fleas.

Where voters are concerned, more than likely the majority of those in opposition to the mainstream parties and the coalition government policies (in Berlin), with grating teeth voted some lesser evil rather than be associated with this bunch.

"something", yeah. But no further relation Any economic ideas (let alone concepts) left with those ousted by the coup. For which reason you've nailed it pretty well with:I agree with your final conclusion (which I've snipped for brevity) :).
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The AFD is certainly sure they do NOT want to be Bernd Lucke. ;)

But yeah, cannot disagree with your explanations.

Some AFD officials on the right wing of that party have documented connections to the "Neue Rechte"/"New Right", including the identitarian movement (is that its name in English?) and "völkische Konservative" (ethnic nationalists). Like Björn Höcke in Thuringia or now Andre Poggenburg in Saxony-Anhalt. Their organizations in the Western states are said to be more moderate.

So yeah, plenty of fleas.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Words fail me. You acknowledge that she advocates shooting refugees trying to cross into Germany in post one and then four posts later say Germany should give her a chance (at power?)

Why?
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Because, the policies of Merkel...stink! and.....I have no problem with border guards shooting illegals if it "warrants" that. Don't come across our border you stinking swine....should mean just that. ;)

Some people just have a real hard time taking no for an answer!
 
Carjosse said:
The last time the far right became popular in Germany. You might be familiar with the man and what he did, Hitler.
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Far Right...and logic, can be synonymous. Hitler wasn't Far Right as posted above, he was however a Mad Man! As I always point out when people bring up Hitler, is that fact that soooo many were duped by him, or were so desperate, they clung to insanity.

Not unlike those who voted for obama.....or who vote for Hillary.
 
MickeyW said:
Far Right...and logic, can be synonymous. Hitler wasn't Far Right as posted above, he was however a Mad Man! As I always point out when people bring up Hitler, is that fact that soooo many were duped by him, or were so desperate, they clung to insanity.

Not unlike those who voted for obama.....or who vote for Hillary.
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The difference is that some people/movements believe in a constitutional state, a republican system, and some don't. If rising to power, the latter will dismantle it, so that they cannot be diselected again in free elections.

I'd rather vote for a party or candidate who unconditionally respects the free, constitutional system, even when I disagree with him on most points -- than for a candidate who despises this system and wants to replace it with some autocracy, even when I agree with many policy ideas.
 
MickeyW said:
Because, the policies of Merkel...stink! and.....I have no problem with border guards shooting illegals if it "warrants" that. Don't come across our border you stinking swine....should mean just that. ;)
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Good thing very few governments in the last 120 years have felt the same way about treating escapees from war zones the way you would.

MickeyW said:
Some people just have a real hard time taking no for an answer!
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Some yes are economic migrants but there are also genuine refugees there and none of them deserve being shot for escaping a miserable situation at home. I'd always rather belong to a society that treats the weakest with dignity rather than the barrel of a gun.
 
MickeyW said:
Far Right...and logic, can be synonymous. Hitler wasn't Far Right as posted above, he was however a Mad Man! As I always point out when people bring up Hitler, is that fact that soooo many were duped by him, or were so desperate, they clung to insanity.

Not unlike those who voted for obama.....or who vote for Hillary.
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He was far right, but the immoral demagogue with insane followers meme fits trump like a glove.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Good thing very few governments in the last 120 years have felt the same way about treating escapees from war zones the way you would.

Some yes are economic migrants but there are also genuine refugees there and none of them deserve being shot for escaping a miserable situation at home. I'd always rather belong to a society that treats the weakest with dignity rather than the barrel of a gun.
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You might note that I said if it "warrants" it, until they can decipher and separate genuine refugees from criminal refugees, via a fence/wall and checkpoints. The biased news reporting shows lots of families coming in here and there, but what they don't mention is the majority are Muslim men with no families. The news people cherry picked certain spots.
Obviously, all the 100 or so raped women, in that one German town would not want these savages in their country.

And don't go jumping to conclusions on what I said. These people are not all weak, most of them are able bodied rabble, intent on doing what they want in your country....not what you want!
 
Manc Skipper said:
He was far right, but the immoral demagogue with insane followers meme fits trump like a glove.
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Hogwash! There are many, very sane people, supporting Trump. Dr. Ben Carson just endorsed him last week and you don't get any more sane then him.

That's ok, as long as you stay on that side of the pond, we will do just fine here.
 
MickeyW said:
You might note that I said if it "warrants" it, until they can decipher and separate genuine refugees from criminal refugees, via a fence/wall and checkpoints. The biased news reporting shows lots of families coming in here and there, but what they don't mention is the majority are Muslim men with no families. The news people cherry picked certain spots.
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Yeah, in inverted commas. Can be read all sorts of ways but when talking to someone who would shoot refugees and illegal immigrants then the commas and the word mean nothing.

I'm well aware of the majority of refugees being male and of a certain age group - which is why I'm happy with our Govt position of taking the most vulnerable only and from refugee camps in Syria.
MickeyW said:
~ [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Obviously, all the [/FONT]100 or so raped women[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif], in that one German town would not want these savages in their country.
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[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Reminds me, may have been you previously. Someone else made a similar claim and I asked for a link which never came. Which 100 or so raped women please? Link?[/FONT]
MickeyW said:
~ And don't go jumping to conclusions on what I said. These people are not all weak, most of them are able bodied rabble, intent on doing what they want in your country....not what you want!
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There's no jumping to conclusions when a poster clearly states they'd be happy to see a shooting policy at the border.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Yeah, in inverted commas. Can be read all sorts of ways but when talking to someone who would shoot refugees and illegal immigrants then the commas and the word mean nothing.

I'm well aware of the majority of refugees being male and of a certain age group - which is why I'm happy with our Govt position of taking the most vulnerable only and from refugee camps in Syria.

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[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Reminds me, may have been you previously. Someone else made a similar claim and I asked for a link which never came. Which 100 or so raped women please? Link?[/FONT]

There's no jumping to conclusions when a poster clearly states they'd be happy to see a shooting policy at the border.
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1. What country would that be?

2. The report was 80, but I know damn well there had to be many more because many women never report it.

Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women - BBC News

3. Never said I would be happy to see it...there you go again reading stuff into my posts I did not say. If they aren't supposed to cross a border and it's posted for their dumbass to see and guards are there with guns......I say cross at your own risk.
If you get shot...tough ****!

I just signed a class action petition, addressed to obama, to keep the scummy bastards out of my county.
 
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MickeyW said:
1. What country would that be?

2. The report was 80, but I know damn well there had to be many more because many women never report it.

Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women - BBC News

3. Never said I would be happy to see it...there you go again reading stuff into my posts I did not say. If they aren't supposed to cross a border and it's posted for their dumbass to see and guards are there with guns......I say cross at your own risk.
If you get shot...tough ****!

I just signed a class action petition, addressed to obama, to keep the scummy bastards out of my county.
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From your link -
Women were also targeted in Hamburg.
But the Cologne assaults - near the city's iconic cathedral - were the most serious, German media report. At least one woman was raped, and many were groped.
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No sign of the 100 so please try again.

As for your stance on shooting people at the border, nice try but no candy. No civilised society would ever countenance shooting unarmed citizens crossing a border. Nuff said.
 
MickeyW said:
These people are not all weak, most of them are able bodied rabble, intent on doing what they want in your country....not what you want!
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Interesting. I engage in the volunteer integration helpers in my hometown. I talk to the families coming. But seems you know it better from oversees...
 
The problem is that you can't close stable doors after horses have bolted.

Brunhilda threw open the floodgates, claiming no time to segregate the wheat from the chaff. Dispersal policies ensured other officials had a hand in liberally showering Europe with undesirables, as even the EU admitted the majority of these flotsam were indeed not Syrian refugees. Across Europe, crimewaves flourished, with even 'refugees' going home again because Finland was too cold!

Diddumses!


Now there's much PC handwringing about 'far Right parties' becoming popular, as this issue merely tips the iceberg of existing doubts and anger across Europe regarding influxes.

You've only yourselves to blame, centre-left crackpots. Same as you were when your bungling helped Hitler get his foot in the Reichstag door.
 
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The problem is that you can't close stable doors after horses have bolted.

Brunhilda threw open the floodgates, claiming no time to segregate the wheat from the chaff. Dispersal policies ensured other officials had a hand in liberally showering Europe with undesirables, as even the EU admitted the majority of these flotsam were indeed not Syrian refugees. Across Europe, crimewaves flourished, with even 'refugees' going home again because Finland was too cold!

Diddumses!


Now there's much PC handwringing about 'far Right parties' becoming popular, as this issue merely tips the iceberg of existing doubts and anger across Europe regarding influxes.

You've only yourselves to blame, centre-left crackpots. Same as you were when your bungling helped Hitler get his foot in the Reichstag door.
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Most every western democracy felt that Muslims would be pleased to integrate into their superior German, Swedish, Dutch, etc. cultures but they were all wrong. Many Muslims are convinced they have the right idea and are quite willing to sacrifice their lives in order to create an international caliphate.

Are Western Europeans prepared to die to preserve of their culture, freedoms, and way of life? That seems doubtful. They are quite willing to live in freedom but not to protect it.
 
Yup.

I take issue with the 'superior' bit though, as we're always told that no one culture is superior to another, as if reality can be shut outside with shame propaganda.

Not that Western culture isn't superior, even today. We have the technology, the democracy, the arts and the freedom, plus the strength and the (albeit PC-eroded) right to humiliate or curtail our masters and other pompous bumsores. Hence Bradford council stepping in when extremist Muslims at that care home refused their charges the right to eat pork, or the LSE Islamic Society being the latest group of devout Muslims indulging in segregation. (That is, when the Labour Party doesn't pip them to the post with sexism or antisemitism.)


You gon't give equal leeway to fanatical people like this. I suggest we tax them - especially Labour - for all the reversals of progress and freedom caused by the hardliners.
 
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