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White Nationalist PAC Blankets Iowa With Robocalls For Trump

This isn't the basement, I'm not here to name names and point out each individual guilty of it, and to be fair the better thing to say would have been "there has been no shortage" since a few of the worst sexist individuals have left us... but make no mistake, it's around.

And if you haven't seen it, oh well :shrug:

No, I haven't seen a single example of someone here claiming women are inferior to men. What I do see, however, is liberals lying about that sort of thing all the time.
 
Ok... Fair enough.

How you going to test for that or deny someone entry on that basis of their belief?

Case in point, a Muslim or Orthodox Jewish Family apply to come to the USA, they meet all economic, health and lack of criminality criteria, all including the mother are devout practitioners and may not believe they are property per-say, but to our sensibility it appears so, to them they accept an inferior role... But that's how they choose to live, as its what they are taught from a young age, would you deny them on that basis?

Second case in point, you have citizens in your own country who believe women are property/inferior, what should be done with them?

They're ok to not assimilate to a certain viewpoint because they just happened to come out of a ***** in your own country?

Should they be forced to assimilate?

Look... It's a tricky issue, I know we don't want to be importing bad people into our countries... But I'm a big believer that one has to notice the way in which the belief manifests itself and not the belief itself because people profess to believe all sorts of things, but the last time I checked most peoples beliefs don't manifest themselves into extreme action, regardless of the belief.

If a belief that women are inferior (and certainly there's no shortage of that viewpoint on this very board) manifests itself so that a man believes they have a right to abuse a women, mentally or physically on that basis, then every effort should be made to ensure that, that person has options available to her for redress and justice.

But the idea that you're able to weed out philosophical beliefs such as these in the immigration process before or after that person has immigrated, or apply a broad brush to an entire demographic seems a little far fetched.
I'm not looking at this in terms of what we should or should not adopt as official policy or procedure. I'm simply pointing out some glaring cultural differences that exist between the United States and pockets of the Middle East where many of these refugees originate. I think it's irresponsible to ignore the fact that bringing people into this country who don't embrace values like equal rights and freedom of religion sets up a slew of potential problems. I also cringe at the notion that it is somehow "insensitive" to even bring it up.

I'm not offering a "solution". I'm just saying that there is an obvious divide between our values and the values of some of those wishing to come here and unless they are willing to assimilate there is going to be trouble.
 
Bigot, no doubt.

It's too bad that idiots like this prevent a real conversation from taking place. Restate that quote like this...



...and it opens the door to a discussion we need to have. ASSIMILATION. We should be demanding it and not cowering to some PC bull**** which seeks to label the concept as bigoted.

the entire concept is bigoted, do you think because you say the exact same thing but remove the word white it means something entirely different? because it doesn't.
 
the entire concept is bigoted, do you think because you say the exact same thing but remove the word white it means something entirely different? because it doesn't.
Wanting people to assimilate to the values of equality, freedom of religion, and the separation of church and state is bigoted?

You really haven't thought this through, have you.
 
Wanting people to assimilate to the values of equality, freedom of religion, and the separation of church and state is bigoted?

You really haven't thought this through, have you.

assuming only whites can do any of those things is practically the definition of racism, there are white people born here who don't beleive in those things,. So why do you think only immigrants from white countries would beleive in any of those things, more than immigrants from any other part of the world? because I assure you the reason we used to only allow whites into america wasn't because they beleived in "church and state" more, your argument is ridiculous, and is a thinly veiled attempt to rally behind pre-civil rights era policies

Its like saying slavery is okay as long as the law allows whites to be enslaved as well, you can say your not being racist all you want but everbody knows what will happen if we re-legalize slavery
 
And the Black Panthers supported Obama. Who cares?

the black panthers weren't a hate group they had thousands of white members

you must mean the nbpp which has a membership of about 6 people, depsite constant fox news coverage
 
the black panthers weren't a hate group they had thousands of white members

you must mean the nbpp which has a membership of about 6 people, depsite constant fox news coverage

How many members are in Jared Taylor's group? About one as far as I can tell.
There's way more black supremacists than white supremacists.
 
How many members are in Jared Taylor's group? About one as far as I can tell.
There's way more black supremacists than white supremacists.

yeah you guys are so persecuted these days.... how do you stand it?
 
assuming only whites can do any of those things is practically the definition of racism, there are white people born here who don't beleive in those things,. So why do you think only immigrants from white countries would beleive in any of those things, more than immigrants from any other part of the world? because I assure you the reason we used to only allow whites into america wasn't because they beleived in "church and state" more, your argument is ridiculous, and is a thinly veiled attempt to rally behind pre-civil rights era policies

Its like saying slavery is okay as long as the law allows whites to be enslaved as well, you can say your not being racist all you want but everbody knows what will happen if we re-legalize slavery
As straw men go, that was probably the worst I have ever seen.
 
That statement there takes quite a bit of mental effort to justify seeing that nationalism was around 4-5 centuries before nazis were....

You're conflating the general definition of "nationalism," which had more to do with sovereignty when it began, with the 20th century emergence of political "nationalists" which has much more to do with ideations of cultural and racial superiority. Why?
 
White Nationalist PAC Blankets Iowa With Robocalls For Trump

Follow the link in ¶7 to get to the "white nationalist" (read: neo-nazi) site. In one of those ironies of far right wing religious extremism, they get a Filipino god botherer to deliver the message. I imagine this guy thinks he's been allowed into the "white nationalist" community because he's co-opted himself so much. What a surprise is awaiting him if these neo-nazis ever do get power.

Some low-lights from the neo-nazi leadership:



And from the Nationalist site, here's the religious freak, Tan, again:



And for those who try to apply Godwin's Law on my characterization of these scumbags as neo-nazis, they need to be reminded of the provenance of the word "nazi." It's a contraction of the party created by Hitler, et al: "National Socialist." Since then any individual or party incorporating any of the ideals of that original party has used the term "nationalist" to indicate that affinity. Calling oneself a "nationalist" is openly identifying oneself as sympathetic to the nazi ideology, particularly white supremacy in countries where whites are either the majority or hold power by force over a non-white majority (e.g., the "National Party" which created the apartheid regime of South Africa, and referred to themselves as "nationalists," too).

Didn't the Black Panthers endorse Obama? Yeah, the Black Panthers DID endorse Obama. I guess your premise is pretty much "Look at this, Trump supporters are racist." My premise is that there are racists in the world and no race has a monopoly on racism.
 
See I don't get this entirely.

There is no single, unified and strict American culture to assimilate too.

Even born Americans are vastly different coast to coast, have different interpretations of the constitution, differences in how they perceive the world etc...

Exactly what is it people should assimilate to believe when they come?

And isn't thinking that way in direct antithesis to the idea that freedom of expression and thought are fundamental values, that you don't have to conform to any one way of thinking.

I came to Canada as an immigrant and in some ways I'm more Canadian and in some ways I keep those South African and British things that are important to me and in no way is that detrimental to my experience here.

In the same way that a Nova Scotian can be vastly different to a British Columbian, or an Albertan... Or a New Yorker to a Californian or a Texan.

Assimilation does not mean everyone becoming alike. First, it's an entirely voluntary thing. It generally refers to immigrants willingly taking on some of the shared values of a new country. The most important of those values, in my opinion, are contained in the oath taken by people becoming naturalized US citizens:
1. Support the Constitution;
2. Renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen;
3. Support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
4. Bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and
-- Bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; or
--Perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; or
--Perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law.

Apart from those there are no requirements to speak a national language (there being none by law, only custom), adopt a national religion (again, being none as it's forbidden by the Constitution) to observe any particular popular customs or holidays (or give up traditional ones from the native country that are not forbidden by law) or dress in a particular manner. In fact, the description of your own experience in Canada is much like most immigrants here. You've indicated that you've retained some customs you grew up with in S.A. and taken on newer "Canadianisms" there. As far as I can tell the assimilation process for you has been very little different from that of the vast majority of immigrants who come here.
 
yeah you guys are so persecuted these days.... how do you stand it?

I noticed this isn't a rebuttal but rather a rationalization. Double standard? I think racists are ignorant regardless of their race.
 
Didn't the Black Panthers endorse Obama? Yeah, the Black Panthers DID endorse Obama. I guess your premise is pretty much "Look at this, Trump supporters are racist." My premise is that there are racists in the world and no race has a monopoly on racism.

Ah, those two guys at the polling site again. Still chewing on that dry bone. Can you find me any examples of the NBPP tossing people out of Obama rallies for being white? Don't get me wrong: I love it when certain people get so desperate to defend white supremacy that they make complete asses of themselves. It's a real time saver for me when it comes pre-packaged, as it were, like this.
 
Ah, those two guys at the polling site again. Still chewing on that dry bone. Can you find me any examples of the NBPP tossing people out of Obama rallies for being white? Don't get me wrong: I love it when certain people get so desperate to defend white supremacy that they make complete asses of themselves. It's a real time saver for me when it comes pre-packaged, as it were, like this.

I never said anything about the polling site. Nice diversion though (not really, pretty lame). The rest of your post, blah blah blah. Keep rationalizing racism for everyone but whites. Racism is disgusting, no matter what color the racist is.
 
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I never said anything about the polling site. Nice diversion though (not really, pretty lame). The rest of your post, blah blah blah. Keep rationalizing racism for everyone but whites. Racism is disgusting, no matter what color the racist is.

So, you mean that if the NBPP endorsed Obama (which has been repeatedly denounced as has been the entire NBPP by the Obama administration) then it's okay for white supremacists to endorse Trump. BTW, Trump has not yet denounced that endorsement. Let me know when he does. And further BTW, here's something that should cheer you up:

Disappointed in Obama, New Black Panthers openly consider ‘the bullet’ | The Daily Caller
Some "endorsement." The NBPPers quoted here sound more like you.
 
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So, you mean that if the NBPP endorsed Obama (which was denounced by the Obama campaign in 2008) then it's okay for white supremacists to endorse Trump. BTW, Trump has not yet denounced that endorsement. Let me know when he does. BTW, here's something that should cheer you up:

Disappointed in Obama, New Black Panthers openly consider ‘the bullet’ | The Daily Caller
Some "endorsement." The NBPPers quoted here sound more like you.

They have their 1st Amendment rights. Stupid isn't illegal. Racism isn't illegal. I would wonder if you condone racism as long as it isn't a white person. Your premise is pretty much lost, failed, insignificant, a non issue.
 
They have their 1st Amendment rights. Stupid isn't illegal. Racism isn't illegal. I would wonder if you condone racism as long as it isn't a white person. Your premise is pretty much lost, failed, insignificant, a non issue.

I do not condone it regardless of its source. The NBPP is on the SPLC's list of hate groups as it should be along with many white supremacist groups. No racism isn't illegal but that doesn't mean it should be encouraged and welcome by a man running for the presidency, Donald Trump. Still waiting for his complete and unequivocal repudiation of the white supremacists helping his campaign.
 
I do not condone it regardless of its source. The NBPP is on the SPLC's list of hate groups as it should be along with many white supremacist groups. No racism isn't illegal but that doesn't mean it should be encouraged and welcome by a man running for the presidency, Donald Trump. Still waiting for his complete and unequivocal repudiation of the white supremacists helping his campaign.

I did a google search and I didn't find an endorsement. That would indicate that is an dishonest post unless you can find an endorsement.
 
You claimed he endorsed it or encouraged it, welcomed it. Show me the money.

Show me where I "claimed" that. The need to lie about what I never claimed pretty much tells your side's entire sordid story. But, until Trump does denounce and disavow it, by the rules set up for Obama by your sort all the way back to 2007,* he must be endorsing and welcoming it.

In fact, to treat Trump equally the way your sort has been treating Obama, no amount of denunciation or disavowal will work. So equal treatment it will be. At this point, since Trump still has not disavowed or denounced these racist ****s, he must welcome their support.
 
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